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Natal Passenger Lists
« on: Saturday 14 April 07 20:46 BST (UK) »
Please , i need help found this entry on Genealogy World , its taken from the Natal Passenger list  .Dept June 11th 1886 Courland CSS London . Rendall .East Coast Ports , there is no arrival for this Ship , am i right in thinking this ship  sailed  from England ? If so anyone know what port it sailed from. there is a passenger on it named John Roberts who could be my G-grandfather , he was killed in a mining accident,dont know where . where were the Gold Mines at that time if he arrived at Natal . 
  Hope some knowledgeable Roots person can help
 
                       Kind Regards Mrs Griff


 

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Roberts,  Williams.
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Re: Natal Passenger Lists
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 April 07 21:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Mrs Griff

I saw on one of your other postings that you think he may have been killed between 1879 -1881.  have you tried searching the South African National Archives?  http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl

I see one death notice in the Free State Archive in 1879 and a Will in the Cape Town Archive in 1880 (obviously not the same person)'.

How sure of the date period are you because there are Death Notices in 1883 (1) & 1884 (1) in the Cape Archive and in 1884 there is an application for Employment from one John Roberts in the Pietermatitzburg (Natal) Archive.

Sorry, no knowledge of the passenger records you were looking at.   :(

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Re: Natal Passenger Lists
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 April 07 22:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks Moria for you quick reply , i have narrowed the dates down to between 1884- 1889  , 1884 being the year of the last child being born and his wife remarring in 1889 saying she his a widow, i dont know if you can help anymore ,  his D O B was 1850 his wife was Jane ,and he came from Caernavon Wales , and was giong to work in the Gold Mines,
       
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Re: Natal Passenger Lists
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 April 07 23:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Mrs Griff

There is only the one reference between those dates and it is in the Cape Town Archive.  The problem with this is that there are no gold mines in the Cape!  The other possibility is that he went to the diamond mines - which are in the Cape.  The third possibility is that this is not his file at all and he may not have had an estate file registered.  The only way to tell is to get a copy of the Death Notice and see if it is him.  If you chose to do this, I recommend that you do it as suggested in the topic under "Obtaining copies of documents from the National Archives" http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211554.0.html

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Re: Natal Passenger Lists
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 14 April 07 23:09 BST (UK) »
I forgot to give you the reference in the Archive:

DEPOT     KAB
SOURCE    MOOC
VOLUME_NO 6/9/205
REFERENCE 8020
DESCRIPTION          ROBERTS, JOHN. DEATH NOTICE.
STARTING  18840000
ENDING    18840000
     
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 14 April 07 23:39 BST (UK) »
Many Thanks Moria,
                               I will take on board everything you said , and contact you again if i need your expert advice . i'am sure i will .
                 
             Kind Regards  Mrs Griff           
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Re: Natal Passenger Lists
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 February 13 08:48 GMT (UK) »
If this is still relevant, the Courland was departing from Natal for coastal ports. Here is the extract :
June 11 (1886) - Departure
Courland CSS London (i.e. port of registry). Rendall (captain) East Coast Ports
Passengers
Mrs McIntosh, Mrs Rose and child, Mr and Mrs Lelson, Mrs Potglase, PK Dickinson, RL Dickinson, McAdam, Owen Tod, Kretzshmar, W Wilson, C Forsyth, J Jacobs, Tasste, B Jacobs, T Wall, F Holderness, W Boly, Thomas Tooley, R Grantham, Dunne, Magwire, Ramsay Macnar, Mr Graham Painter, W Lovemore, E Renny, Tailyour, Llewellyn, Mr Paulet, Messrs CJ Ingman, James Roy, John Roberts, Right Rev Abbot Franz, Mahomed Doujee and Isop Tameyer, Mr F Holden.

The Courland had previously arrived at Natal as follows:
June 10 - Arrival
Courland CSS London. Rendall. Cape Ports
Passengers
ex Pembroke Castle from England (i.e. passengers had trans-shipped to Courland)
Misses Shiphard, Messrs R Tailyour, S Brook, H Forbes, Mrs SC Smith, Messrs GW Bedford, J Studart, Mr and Mrs Nott and 6 children, Mr J Lanzinger, Mr R Gossip, Mr Preuer, Consul and Mrs O'Neill and maid, Mr Herman, Kaisser, Mr Egas, Moniz, Casllo, Messrs Abraaches, Garcia, G D'Oliveira, J Serrans, Benio D'Oliveira, Antonio, Maria, Jack, Mr Greenwood.

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Re: Natal Passenger Lists
« Reply #7 on: Monday 25 February 13 15:49 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Mole yes any thing is relevant has I have not found a death for him ( my big brick wall ) from what you have said that  John Roberts must have already been in Natal and boarded the ship there where  has i thought he was on it from London I am I think correct ? Do you know what coastal ports it would have been sailing to would they have been gold mine area,s .
 
Kind Regards Mrs Griff .
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Roberts,  Williams.
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Re: Natal Passenger Lists
« Reply #8 on: Monday 25 February 13 16:24 GMT (UK) »
'East coast ports' generally refers to Port Elizabeth (Algoa Bay) and East London, i.e. the smaller ports between Natal and Cape Town. Delagoa Bay (later Lourenco Marques, Mozambique) would have been a more likely port for anyone wishing to reach gold mining country. However, I cannot find that the Courland would have gone further up the east coast than Natal - she'd have turned round there and headed back down the coast to the Cape. There is no doubt that the passenger John R was leaving from Port Natal rather than arriving.
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