"havel and staie" what is it

[fred59]

What is a  "havel and staie (with a 't'') drawers."  its  some kind of occupation in Norfolk we think.
                 
                Any help please
            Gordon

                       

[Arranroots]

Hi Gordon

Is this an occupation on a census?  If so can we have the reference, so that we can look please?

If it is a certificate, perhaps you could post a small portion of it?

What is the occupation of this person on the censuses?

kind regards, Arranroots 

[ricky1]

Hi Gordon
Found this bit of info on a website , might help others to find out more about it.


 grandfather was a farmer in Norfolk and one of his crops was
barley - he
used to call the long hairs on the end of each barley grain on a
head the
'havels'. This was in the early 1950's and I should think it's a local
word - perhaps someone can confirm from a book on Norfolk dialect
(I know of
one but can't remember the title). Perhaps a "havel drawer" was
someone who
separated the havels from the grain?


ricky

[fred59]

Sorry i cannot help you with that, as it was a request on Roots web.com, and being a local person i thought i would try to find out something, thanks for that piece of info Ricky i will pass it on and see if it blends in with what they have.

                             Gordon

[Fisherman]

Hi Gordon
Norfolk dialect
A Havel is a wooden framework of healds (loops through which warp threads are drawn.
Staeis or Slaies  are  pegs that keep the warp threads apart.

Fisherman

[fred59]

Thanks for that Fisherman....so its Weaving?

              Thanks Gordon

[Fisherman]

Hi Gordon

Yes to do with weaving.  Sorry should have made it clearer in my reply.

Fisherman

[ricky1]

Hi Gordon
that is where I got the info from, plus as Fisherman says it could be this .

These terms have to do with weaving.

I believe a 'havel' is like a 'heddle'. Think the 'stays' were for
lifting (holding back) selected threads so that the shuttle could make
the right pass through the warp (over and/or under the right groupings of
threads to make the pattern/weave).

My terminology may be inaccurate, but it sounds like this job
had to do with manually adjusting threads on a loom while others
worked the sideways weaving -- beating down each pass (packing it
tightly into the preceding weave).


from the same site

ricky

[fred59]

Thanks for all your help problem solved.

               regards Gordon