James McQueen & Ann Taylor (Paisley?)

[milto1384]

Hi,

I'm really struggling to find out information on James McQueen and Ann Taylor. I know very little about them other that they have a daughter called Maggie McQueen (m. 8/8/1899- husband Joseph Gilogley, d. 11/1/1944- aged 68). I know her parents died before 1899 because they were both shown as deceased on the marraige certificate. All info I have shows they live in paisley.

Any information that people have would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Alan

[trish251]

Hello Alan

I thought to track your Maggie back from 1901, looking for her parents. You could access the images to verify if it is your lady at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (pay to view). Unfortunately, it appears she was born just a year too late for the registration index to be on the IGI (free). You can also check the indexes and birth certificate images also at SP.

This is what I found - it seems the closest match, but could be incorrect
1901
Living at 6 West Cambell St Paisley
Joseph Gilogley 26 born Glasgow - general labourer head
Maggie Gilogley 25 born Paisley - Bleacher - wife
Terence do 10 born Paisley - scholar - brother
John do 1 born Paisley - son

1891 Maggie is a 15 year old boarder with Gavin and Catherine Turner
4 Cross Street Paisley. She is a Thread Mill Worker

The closest I can find in 1881 is
Margaret McQueen listed as adopted daughter  born Paisley
The address given is 10 Maxwelton Paisley - there appear to be 100s of residents indicating "poor house" or equivalent (or the transcription is incorrect)
so looking at the image would be the only way to determine who may be the "parents"
Gavin and Catherine Turner - aged 19 and 17 and their mother Mary are on the list as residents, so this may be the same folks as per 1891. Mary may be the "adoptive" mother. She is listed as HOF (which I think is head of family)

I can find no mention of James and Ann. There is no sign of a marriage on the IGI or SP in  Renfrewshire & I tried a few options for spelling. 1872-1876 there are 21 marriages for James McQueen in all of Scotland - none to a Taylor (or Ta*r to allow for other spelling).

1871 the only James McQueen I can find is 10years old, living with his parents, born Glasgow.

I then looked on ScotlandsPeople for a birth for Maggie. There are 6 M* M*Queens born in Renfrew 1874-1877. The best option for a Paisley Maggie was Margaret, born in Abbey Burgh. I used a few of my free credits from SP    and as I thought, this lass was illegitimate, her mother being Margaret. There is a note on the side of the image, saying paternity was found & the details are in the register of corrected entries - which I believe will shortly be available on SP.

I cannot guarantee that this is your Maggie - but I haven't found another. Adding deceased "parent" names to a marriage certificate, was not, I believe unusual when the parents were not known, or the child did not want to tell a partner the circumstances.

Hope this helps - you may have to search further to prove/disprove if this is your Maggie

Trish

[milto1384]

Hiya Trish,

The 1901 census you found was correct- all the names match up perfect. Also, the 1891 census seems likely because Margaret's job as a threadmill worker is the same as what is says on her marriage certiciface. So, I took your advice and viewed the 1881 census. It was weird- it was not the original image but has been transcribed (shown below):

 
SGRO Vol 573 ED 103 p7   
 
Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland 
10 Maxwelton

Alex.  FERGUSON  Visitor  Unmarried  18  M  Carter  Paisley, Renfrew  
Colin  MC CALLUM  Visitor  Unmarried  23  M  Carter  Highlands   
Margaret  MC QUEEN  Adopted Daur  N/A  5  F    Paisley, Renfrew
Gavin  TURNER  Son  Unmarried  19  M  Boatman  Paisley, Renfrew
Catherine  TURNER  Daughter  Unmarried  17  F  Millworker  Elderslie, Renfrew
Mary  TURNER  Daughter  Unmarried  16  F  Millworker  Elderslie, Renfrew
Mary  TURNER  Head  Widowed  42  F    Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland   
 

Like yourself, I viewed the exact same birth certificate before and automatically dismissed it but perhaps I should not have done so?

It just seems really weird that I have her marriage certificate and death certificate that both state her parents names. Furthermore, like yourself I have checked the IGI and scotlands people but just cannot find the parents anywhere!!! I could attach the death and marraige certificates if you think this might help?

Al

[trish251]

Hi Al

If she "made up" her parents for the marriage certificate, it is not surprising that they would be on the death certificate as this would be the information that she told her husband and children, and presumably one of same would be the informant on the death certificate.

I don't think there would be much more on the certificates that would help - who was the informant on the death certificate? and the witnesses to the marriage - anyone called Turner?

Sorry, I had forgotten that SP does not have images for 1881, but you got the "family group" which I didn't have. Given that the occupation seems to be as given in 1891, I think that is another small piece of evidence that leads to this being your Maggie. The register of corrected entries, when available (or if you are in Edinburgh you can check it there) may help if the name of the father happens to be James.

I will have a look for mother Margaret in 1871/1881 to see if that gives any more ideas, although with Maggie born 1876, she is probably in a different establishment in 1871 to where she was when the child was born.

I thought I should add details to the 1891

Gavin Turner 28 is listed as born Elderslie Renfrew and is a carter
Catherine 22 is his wife born Aidrie Lanark
Daughter Mary is 1

Despite the minor changes I think this is the same Gavin Turner as 1881.

They liked to create mysteries for us - these folks from past times     - I sometimes think they did it to confuse the next 100 years of their descendants.

Trish

[milto1384]

Trish,

I agree- i think they do go out just to confuse us!

The death certificate shows my great gran (maggies daughter) to be the informant and the marriage certificate witnesses were Jane Smith and David Dickson! Another dead end i think!!!

Do you think her parents died very soon after her birth (possibly before marriage) and she was brought up with friends or relatives? I guess there could be many possibilities. I just don't know why she would lie about her mum and dad's name. Not sure if it's possibly just the wrong birth certificate we have found?!

Strange!


Al

[MonicaL]

HI Alan and Trish

Just some thoughts. Following through on the possibility of an illegitimate birth for Maggie. Her birth entry in Paisley (or other surrounding parish in Renfrewshire) could also have been registered under mother's surname of Taylor perhaps. There are 11 M*g* Taylors born in Renfrewshire between 1875-76.

I also wondered whether there may have been a Taylor connection to Mary Turner who seems to have taken Maggie in as a child but her maiden name (from son Gavin's birth details on IGI) would appear to be McKellar so nothing jumps out there.

Regards.

Monica

[milto1384]

Hi again Monica!

I still have some SP credits left so i'll have a wee search for those M*g** Taylors in Renfrewshire and see if anything pops out! worth a shot.


Al

[milto1384]

These two seem like possibilities:

1876 TAYLOR MARGARET F PAISLEY BURGH PARISHES /RENFREW 573/00 0806

1876 TAYLOR MARGARET F PAISLEY BURGH PARISHES /RENFREW 573/00 0619 


Not quite sure if I should view them or not?!

[MonicaL]

Let me have a look first on the 1881 Census index to see whether we can discount any obvious entries.