John Lulham death/soldier

[gbugden]

Hello
Australian researcher here. My ancestor John Lulham was born in Sussex 22 July 1767. He married Elizabeth Harris 9 April 1798. He may have been a soldier. 

Can a date and place of death be found?
 How can I follow up the soldier information?

I am aware of only one child, James Lulham who was born in Kingston, Surrey in c.1806 and who came to Australia as a convict in 1829. He had two prior convictions apparently.

An help or advise is appreciated

Cheers Greg Bugden

[Jane Masri]

Hi Greg,
I'm not sure where your marriage information came from but the Sussex Marriage Index gives this information for the marriage which throws your information right off balance 

Falmer, East Sussex,    9 Apr 1776:
 John LULHAM, (LULLUM)
Elizabeth HARRIS, botp

jane
 

[gbugden]

Thanks for the reply Jane and you are spot on ..there is an error. I have been in contact with the original researcher since reading your post ...unleashing a flurry of activity over here.

It seems that the error is not with the dates I provided,  but with the location. We are now informed that John Lulham was born and married in SURREY not Sussex!

Your advise has helped us correct an error in family trees for at least three branches/ researchers descending from this man.

An you confirm this marriage ( or anything else ) from your end?

Cheers and thanks

 Greg

[Jane Masri]

Hi Greg,
I see your problem & where it all went pear-shaped  

The IGI gives an extracted baptism for John Lulham 22/7/1767 at Kingston Upon Thames s/o Thomas & Jane.
The IGI marriage information for John to Elizabeth Harris is member submitted & says it was in Surrey.
Obviously this Sussex marriage can't be your John (unless he married aged 9  )
I've looked on the Surrey Marriage Index & following are the 3 Lulham Male marriages recorded there;

Thomas Lulham to Jane Stone (botp) by licence 11/4/1757, Kingston.  I looked on my copy of Commissary Court of Surrey Marriage Allegations & the details are not there so maybe they applied for the licence at another court.  These are obviously the parents of John (1767)

John Lulham to Frances Harwood (botp) by banns 1/5/1820, Wisley, Surrey.

William Lulham to Sarah Taplin by banns 17/7/1826, Thames Ditton, Surrey.

So far no sign of a Surrey marriage of John & the index covers Kingston All Saints so might be worth checking for other churches in the area of this time.

West Surrey Burials;

Frances Lulham  - - 1862  aged 65  West Molesey
I would say this was Frances who married John in 1820

Hester Lulham   31/1/1828  4 y 6m  West Molesey.
Probably one of their children.

John Lulham  - - 1841  aged 44  West Molesey
Looks like the husband of Frances

William Lulham  23/6/1732  no age  Chertsey.

This burial index doesn't cover Kingston which is technically in East Surrey but I've recently seen the FHS has a new CD out which does!
If I can help some more, just let me know,

jane

[Jane Masri]

Greg,
There is someone on Curious Fox who's also looking for information concerning the same line or it could be you & your other Aussie researchers    http://www.curiousfox.com/history/surrey_31.html

Also found this on Rootsweb but perhaps it is known to you?

http://resources.rootsweb.com/~guestbook/cgi-bin/public_guestbook.cgi?gb=1177&action=view

Hi.I am a descendant from a James Lulham (1806-1857), a convict sent from England to Australia. He was convicted in Surrey in 1818. He married Mary Daly in 1832 in Sydney, NSW. James's parents were John Lulham (b1767 in Kingston Surrey, England) and Elizabeth Harris. I have only just discoved this convict ancestor -previous generations tended to keep quite about them. Not sure if there are links with your family. Cheers Barbara

Been scouting around on the IGI & it strikes me that most of the information there is member submitted so therefore very, very 'iffy'.  I only found the following EXTRACTS which are fairly reliable (but always check them yourself)
Children attributed to a John & Elizabeth Lulham;
Maria born 19/9/1814, cr. 16/10/1814.  Kingston Upon Thames.
William  1/8/1827                                               ditto
James Lulham  11/4/1806 St. Mary the Virgin, Dover, KENT.

The other James Lulham born Kingston 1806, that you've been quoting is yet another member submission, so everything is looking sadly distorted 

jane

PS.  On Familyhistoryonline http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/
there is an entry for a John Lulham under 'Convict Arrivals in NSW' for the year 1820.

[gbugden]

Jane,
I am staggered by the effort your have put into this research! I am very grateful.

If I could impose on you just a bit more, I have a couple of questions. First off, I'm not au fait with some of your abbreviations: 'botp' and 's/o'.

And in regards to James Lulham and the Dover, Kent Connection. Do you think this indicates the family had moved and this is where they might be buried?

Or might it mean that the church was nearby to Kingston, Surrey and was just a different choice by the parents?

If this is too much, that's fine. I  feel lucky with the information you have so kindly provided already.

Cheers
Greg

[suey]

s/o is son of.........botp is both of this parish, which incidentally does not mean that either or both were born in that particular parish, only that they were both living there at the time of their marriage

Suey

[Jane Masri]

Hi Greg,
Dover & Kingston are not near each other.  If you Google each place you should get some maps which will help you.  The East Surrey Family History Society (ESFHS) has a good parish map  http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/
James in Dover could be another son, although there's 21 years between oldest & youngest child.  If John was a soldier it's understandable that he & the family might be moved around a bit & Dover is a port.  I'm not saying this James is of the same family, it's what I found.
If it was me I would get hold of the Kingston registers & thoroughly check them out..the ESFHS would be able to help you with this or if you have an LDS centre near you it's possible to order the film.
I would also totally disregard the IGI information & build-up your own information based on reliable, confirmed sources.  Also consider the new burial CD from ESFHS & their other publications, well worth the money.  If you have access to a fiche reader, do what I do, order the parish registers either originals or transcripts...much cheaper than a UK trip  & you can always help others should they need a look-up 

jane

[gbugden]

Thank You Jane
your cautionary advise is very welcome. You have given me several useful leads and my tree will be all the better for your efforts. 
Cheers for now Greg