cardiff prison

[selena by the sea]

not sure if i have asked this before,but is there access to cardiff prison 1891,and if so how.

[Arranroots]

Hi Selena

Prisons were recorded in the same way as everywhere else, just a separate sheet was used for each institution.  You might find that the prisoners were recorded by their intials, rather than their names however.

Who are you looking for?

kind regards, Arranroots 

[osprey]

If you're using Ancestry, go to the 1891 census for Wales, click on Glamorgan, then St John and the prison is its own enumeration district.
 

[selena by the sea]

well, i have a john shaughnessy in 1881 and maybe the same one in 1891 in cardiff prison.just need a bit more info to see if i can make a connection with my rellie.hope that makes sense.

[Arranroots]

You could ask at the Record Office if they have the gaol calendars for Cardiff - was your chap from Cardiff (ie there in in 1881)?  If he was & they have you could find out what he was convicted of and a whole heap of other info.  Does the occupation and age etc fit?

A 

[selena by the sea]

well,my mind has prob been working over time,but this is how i see,rightly or wrongly i dont know.there is a john shaughnessy  age 23 single lab mason born cardiff glam,the one in 1891 is 1 or 2 yrs diff in age ,same name,married,born in same place,diff occup.now my john has disappeared from the family in 1891,his family are in the workhouse but he is not.they were married in1885 and their child was b in abt 1887.i am prob way off but at the moment i am checking every possibility.thanks for all your help everyone.

[selena by the sea]

i forgot to add that on the 1891 john is down as stoker steam ship,on his dau reords of nazareth house in 1901 her father is down as dead but having been a seaman.

[osprey]

Is this his wife's death?
Ellen Shaughnsey aged 27 Cardiff june qtr 1891 vol 11a pg 213

If he had been a seaman, he might just have at sea in 1891. I think Royal Navy were recorded, but mariners weren't if outside coastal waters. And mine tended to make sure they were absent for nearly every census - grrr!

oops- left out registration district

[selena by the sea]

Thanks Osprey,i hadnt thought of that.yes that was his wife and by 1896 ish both parents are dead.the other still sort of fits too,so i will write off to records office fot the prison,then i will have to see if i can find anything out on seamen. thanks once again.