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Offline Geoff E

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Re: 41,51 lookup please - Rogers
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 19 May 07 10:22 BST (UK) »
He was a Master Ironmonger - presumably he had served his time as an apprentice (to his father), and now had apprentice(s) of his own - thus he was a Master.

Empg seems a reasonable abbreviation for "Employing".

6? relates to the number of men he employed - it could be 6 but I'm not altogether sure.

A Sylvester ROGERS was buried at Carlton Scroop (a few miles N of Grantham) 13 June 1848 aged 63.

Another person of the same name was buried there 7 April 1836 aged 79.

An Arabella ROGERS (wife of Silvester Jnr) was buried same place 17 Oct 1836 aged 47.

Elizabeth ROGERS (wife of Silv Snr) buried there 4 Jan 1845 aged 85.
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Re: 41,51 lookup please - Rogers
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 19 May 07 10:53 BST (UK) »
It means that he had attained the rank of Master of his trade and that he was employing that many men or boys in his business.

I have had a look and can find both Edward and Louis but Catherine is a bit confusing.

I will do Edward first :-

The 1861 entry is a bit weird.  The kids are there but not the parents. Have not found Edward and Annie yet.

1861 Census England Lincolnshire Grantham

5 High Street

ROGERS
Douglas M Son Unmarr 8 Scholar Linc Grantham
Annie A Dau Unmarr 6 Scholar Linc Grantham
Henry M Son Unmarr 5 Scholar Linc Grantham
Cecil G Son Unmarr 3 Scholar Linc Grantham
Catherine E Dau Unmarr 1 Linc Grantham
Emily A DOUGLAS Niece Unmarr 15 Linc Grantham


1871 Census England London South Hackney
RG10/332/34/64
3 Stebbing Place Casland Road

ROGERS
Edward M Head Marr 46 Agent Ironmonger Trade Linc Grantham
Annie Wife Marr 44 Linc Welsthorpe
Henry M Son Unmarr 15 Scholar Linc Grantham
Cecil G Son Unmarr 13 Scholar Linc Grantham
Elizabeth Dau Unmarr 9 Scholar Linc Grantham
Isabel  D Dau Unmarr 7 Scholar Linc Grantham
Florence E M Dau Unmarr 5 Scholar Linc Grantham
Montague Son Unmarr 3 Surrey Battersea

In 1871 Douglas M born about 1853 to Edward and Annie, Grantham Linc, is living in 4 Kingston Terrace,  Leeds, Yorkshire.  The Head of house is Mary J WINTER.  He has no occupation listed.

Annie A is in Bath St Michael in Somerset.  She is an Apprentice Draper.

No sign of Catherine E in 1871.

1881 Census England London St Pancras
RG11/219/54/22
20 Elaine Grove

ROGERS
Edward M Head Marr 56 Retired Ironmonger Linc Grantham
Annie Wife Marr 52 Linc Woolsthorpe
Cecil G Son Unmarr 23 Pensioner Cape Govt Linc Grantham
Florence E Dau Unmarr 15 Scholar Linc Grantham

Some of the other children are here :-

1881 Census England Lincolnshire Manthorpe cum Little Gonerby
RG11/3232/11/14
32 Manthorpe Road

PIDCOCK
Jane Head Wid 60 Boarding House for Grammar School Linc Woolsthorpe
Emily D Dau Unmarr 30 Teacher Of Music Leicester Chadwell
Isabel L ROGERS Niece Unmarr 17 Scholar Linc Grantham
Montague L ROGERS Boarder Unmarr 13 Scholar Middlesex Battersea
Annie A ROGERS Niece Unmarr 26 Linc Grantham
Lots of other boarders as well.

Douglas M ROGERS is boarding in Nether Hallam Yorkshire, occupation Clerk, with William and Annie MORTON.

Evelyn E ( Elizabeth I think see 1891 ) is in 13 Bitton Street, West Teignmouth Devon.  She is a Daily Governess and Artist  in the house of Eliza C CREEDY.


1891 Census England Surrey Kingston
RG12/608/47/3
Dundella

ROGERS
Edward M Head Marr 66 Living on Own Means Linc Grantham
Annie Wife Marr 63 Linc Woolsthorpe
Cecil G Son Unmarr 33 Living on Own Means Linc Grantham
Evelyn E Dau Unmarr 29 Artist Miniature Painter Linc Grantham
Isobel L Dau Unmarr 27 Linc Grantham
Florence E M Dau Unmarr 25 Linc Grantham
Montague S Son Unmarr 23 Admiralty Clerk Surrey Battersea

1901 Census England Middlesex Ealing
RG13/1193/68/34
16 Disraeli Road

ROGERS
Edward M Head Marr 76 Living on Own Means Linc Grantham
Annie Wife Marr 74 Linc Woolsthorpe
Montague L Son Unmarr 33 Clerk Govt Works London Battersea

Evelyn E is in Newton Abbott and Woolborough Devon Living on Own Means.  Also an Alice M ROGERS in same house, aged 6 born Surrey Kingston on Thames.  Not sure who she belongs to yet.

Douglas M is here :-

1901 Census England Yorkshire Heeley
RG13/4359/184/51
159 Albert Road

ROGERS
Douglas M Head Marr 48 Book Clerk Linc Grantham
Minnie Wife Marr 31 Yorks Sheffield
Douglas Son Unmarr 8 Yorks Sheffield
Harold G Son Unmarr 6 Yorks Sheffield
Wilfred Son Unmarr 1 Yorks Sheffield
Nora Dau Unmarr 1 Yorks Sheffield

Let me know if I have missed anyone from Edward's lot please

Karenlee



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Re: 41,51 lookup please - Rogers
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 19 May 07 11:03 BST (UK) »
Here is Louis :-

1861 Census England Lincolnshire Grantham
RG9/2350/63/18
57 High Street The George Hotel

ROGERS Louis S Boarder Unmarr 32 Ironmonger Master Linc Grantham

1871 Census England Yorkshire Brightside Bierlow
RG10/4695/5/4
60 Spital Hill

In the house of Jane TURNER Boarding House Keeper
ROGERS Louis S Boarder Unmarr 42 Cashier Linc Grantham

1881 Census England London Marylebone
RG11/137/14/20
1 and 60 Devonshire Street ( a hotel )

ROGERS Louis S Boarder Unmarr 52 Traveller Linc Grantham

1891 Census England London St Marylebone All Souls
RG12/91/117/47
1 Devonshire Street ( smae place )

ROGERS Louis S Boarder Unmarr 62 Traveller Linc Grantham

That's it

Karenlee

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Re: 41,51 lookup please - Rogers
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 19 May 07 11:10 BST (UK) »
karenlee

An earlier thread (which you have surpassed!) ... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,206359.0.html
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Re: 41,51 lookup please - Rogers
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 19 May 07 11:25 BST (UK) »
Now Catherine A is a bit tricky to trace.  Not real sure that I have the right one here, but I think that she married a Robert BARR  :-


1861 Census England Yorkshire Leeds West Leeds
RG9/3393/52/50
Blundell Street Mount Pleasant

BARR
Robert Head Marr 67 Solicitor Employ 17 Clerks Yorks Leeds
Catherine A Wife Marr 35 Linc Grantham

1871 Census England Yorkshire Leeds West Leeds
RG10/4565/150/37
Blundell Street Mount Pleasant

BARR
Robert Head Marr 75 Solicitor Yorks Leeds
Catherine A Wife Marr 45 Linc Grantham


I think she then becomes Catherine A PEEL :-

1881 Census England Yorkshire Ackworth
RG11/4595/4/1
Ackworth Park

PEEL
William Head Marr 69 Magistrate Yorks Halifax
Catherine Wife Marr 55  Wife of Magistrate Linc Grantham

1891 Census England London Kensington Brompton
RG12/32/134/8
Gloucester Road Baileys Hotel

PEEL Catherine A Boarder Wid 65 Linc Grantham

1901 Census England London Kensington Kensington Town
RG13/23/40/26
46 Kensington Park Road

PEEL
Catherine A Head Wid 75 Living on Own Means Linc Grantham

Cheers
Karenlee

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Re: 41,51 lookup please - Rogers
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 19 May 07 12:14 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Karen and Geoff!
Absolute wealth of info here for me to chew over. I think I will need some time to get all this together in my head. Definitely got the right family thru Douglas M (G Grandfather) Cecil (G Uncle) and Harold G (my Grandfather, who left England for Australia in aprox 1914 and never spoke about his family to anyone despite our occasional prompts)
Cecil was my starting block with his occupation in the 1851 census as "pensioner, Cape Govt" but I was at amiss getting back much farther than that.
Thanks again
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Re: 41,51 lookup please - Rogers
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 20 May 07 00:39 BST (UK) »
Sorry, that should read "1881" census.
Booth of Derbyshire, Susquehanna, PA and Victoria, Australia, Rogers of Lincolnshire and Yorkshire, Denial, Naylor of Yorkshire, Holloway of Staffordshire, Birch of Staffordshire, Pike of London and NSW, Australia.<br /><br />UK census data is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk