Griffith's Valuation

[Paquita]

According to a marriage certificate of 1864,Robert Malone,stonemason,father of the bride,lived in Athgarvan.I have looked for him on Griffith's Valuation (Great Connell),but have failed to find him.Any suggestions please?
Fran

[RonnieG]

Fran,

You have posted your query on the Kildare board so I presume you have some evidence that this is the county he came from?

Athgarvan is the name of a townland in Wicklow - there is no Athgarvan listed in Kildare.

There is no Robert Malone listed in Griffiths Valuation anywhere in Wicklow and although there are quite a few Malones none in Athgarvan.

On a brighter note, there is one Robert Malone living in Kildare at Blackwood in the parish of Downings.

I hope this is of some help to you.

RonnieG

[Paquita]

RonnieG,Thank you for your reply.I do have evidence that he came from Kildare.Athgarvan is not far from Newbridge.I will take a look at the entry for Downings.
Fran

[RonnieG]

Fran,

I had another look for Athgarvan in Kildare.

The correct name according to Griffiths is "BLACKRATH AND ATHGARVAN" and it is in the parish of Greatconnell - but still no Malones living there.

Bear in mind that if your Robert was not the head of the household he won't be listed in Griffiths.

RonnieG

[Christopher]

Fran,

The Kildare Valuation took place in 1851 ... the marriage cert showing he lived in Athgarvan is dated thirteen years after the Valuation so it's possible Robert was not in Kildare at the time of the Valuation. If he was his father was probably the head of household. Robert may well have moved to Athgarvan when he left home.

Christopher

[Paquita]

Thank you RonnieG and Christopher.
I presumed that Robert Malone was the head of the household as he would have already been married by then,and would have had at least one child(the one married in 1864).As he had a trade wouldn't he have been able to branch out on his own?
Fran

[RonnieG]

Paquita,

Sorry if I misled you about "head of the household".

Griffiths Valuation was actually a property survey not a census. It records the details for every property in Ireland which is why it took some time to complete (1847 to 1864).

It gives the name of the lessee of the property and of the lessor.

For our purposes the lessee is a very good indicator of the head of the household but this is not always the case. If your Robert was for example living with his elderly father it would be his father's name still on the lease or if he was living with his father-in-law then the name on the lease would not even be Malone.

RonnieG

[Paquita]

RonnieG,
Thank you for the clarification.
Fran

[jud72]

Hi Paquita,

Have you managed to find out any more info about Robert Malone? The only way to find out if he definitely lived in Athgarvan around 1864 is to check the Valuation Books for that time. These essentially record all the changes in owners and tenants of each piece of property listed in the Griffith Valuation - so they might give the date that he started to rent the property, and also who took it over after him. As it happens, I will be checking the Valuation Books for Blackrath and Athgarvan sometime around the beginning of August, so I can look to see if Robert Malone appears there.

Jud