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Royal Irish Rifles
« on: Friday 15 June 07 17:01 BST (UK) »
I have the following information from the CWGC site


Name:             C.E. Tapping            (christian names Cyril Edward )
Nationality:      United Kingdom
Rank:              Serjeant
Regiment:        Royal Irish Rifles - 12th Bn.
Secondary Regiment: Chinese Labour Corps.
Secondary Unit Text: transf. to (547257) 106th Coy.
Date of Death:  20/07/1918
Service No:       19955
Cemetery:  Charmes Military Cemetery, Essegney

What I would like to know, if at all possible, in which battle he was killed.

Regards

Susan
Herefordshire: Mytton.
Lincs: Ingham
Northants: Knight (Welford); Linnell;  Gaudern.
Staffs (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Eades.
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: (Alcester, Henley in Arden) Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire (Birmingham suburbs) Knight
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: Royal Irish Rifles
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 June 07 13:26 BST (UK) »
 :) Hi

The SDGW does not define Cyril as having been Killed in Action.  It just tells us that he 'died'.  Often the Labour Corp were a bit back from the front line, but nonetheless under threat from artillery fire, etc.  See below:

Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
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Re: Royal Irish Rifles
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 June 07 13:28 BST (UK) »
Did you view the cemetery where Cyril is buried!  It looks lovely.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nf/



Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay:

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Re: Royal Irish Rifles
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 June 07 15:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Atom

Thank you for the information on Cyril Tapping, he was a cousin of my grandfather.  His mother died after giving birth to him, all very sad.

The cemetery does look lovely, and very well looked after, as are all the war cemeteries.

Regards

Susan
Herefordshire: Mytton.
Lincs: Ingham
Northants: Knight (Welford); Linnell;  Gaudern.
Staffs (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Eades.
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: (Alcester, Henley in Arden) Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire (Birmingham suburbs) Knight
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: Royal Irish Rifles
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 June 07 17:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Susan

Oh dear! that is very sad to hear.  Have you looked at his medal card!  It might perhaps give a clue as to whether or not he was wounded (thus transferred to the Labour Corp).

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nj/

Anne
Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay:

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Re: Royal Irish Rifles
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 June 07 23:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Anne

Yes I have his medal card but no clues, under remarks says "Died 20.7.18".
He was awarded the Victory, British and 15 star medal.

Theatre of War first served in:   1   (presumably this means France?)
Date of entry therein:    4.10.15

Have googled to see where the Labour Corps. were when he died but no definitive answer.

Regards
Susan








Herefordshire: Mytton.
Lincs: Ingham
Northants: Knight (Welford); Linnell;  Gaudern.
Staffs (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Eades.
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: (Alcester, Henley in Arden) Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire (Birmingham suburbs) Knight
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: Royal Irish Rifles
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 June 07 12:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Susan

It could be possible that Cyril died through some illness, anything from Spanish flu to pneumonia, or  he perhaps caught  something like dysentry or enteric fever. Then again, did he die through some accident?

Usually when a man died from wounds received in action it was noted as such 'Died of Wounds'.  The second Battle of the Aisne took place between 27 May and 6th June 1918, and then there was a lull in the fighting until August.

His death certificate might be a bit more forthcoming and solve the riddle. If you reside in England it should be available from the GRO. 

As the CWGC site tells us: "Charmes Military Cemetery was used by the 8th Canadian and 42nd Stationary Hospitals" So it seems possible that he died at that hospital.

Unfortunately, the record cards that were compiled for each man at the casualty clearing station, or hospital in the rear, were destroyed in the early 1980s - with the exception of a 2% sample.   :(
Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay:

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 June 07 23:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Anne

Thanks for the additional information.  I hadn't realised that if someone died overseas his death would be registered with the GRO.  Cyril Tapping was from Temple Patrick Co. Antrim, so presumably his death would have been recorded in that place?

Regards

Susan
Herefordshire: Mytton.
Lincs: Ingham
Northants: Knight (Welford); Linnell;  Gaudern.
Staffs (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Eades.
Somerset: Bailey; Lewis
Warwickshire: (Alcester, Henley in Arden) Lewis; Casey/Keasey
Warwickshire (Birmingham suburbs) Knight
Yorkshire (Bradford):  Ingham


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Re: Royal Irish Rifles
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 June 07 08:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Susan  :)

Yes, most probably Cyril will be registered with PRONI and the GRO as 'an overseas occurence'.

He  also signed the Covenant on PRONI

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nx/

Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay: