MURRAY - HELP

[littlej]

I am trying to find the birth cert of my grandfather Thomas Murray born 1882 (probably) in Southport Lancs, which I believe is in the Registration District of W. Derby. Through other searches of censuses etc I have found out that his father was almost certainly Walter or Daniel (or both) Murray and his mother was Jane Ann Leigh.

In the 1891 and 1901 censuses mother and family are back in her home town of Altrincham Cheshire, where they stayed, but no sign of father. Also, the copy of his marriage cert gives his father's name as David. (Something I have not been able to resolve).

I have already got 5 certs in the name of Thomas Murray, all wrong, and there are 7 John Murrays listed in the birth index between 1881 & 1883 in W Derby. I know the GRO will check all these for me, but it will cost and maybe won't be successful even then, and I wonder if anyone has any other suggestions.

[Tati]

Hi LittleJ,

Not exactly what you were asking for but the only marriage of a Jane Ann Leigh to a Murray that I can see is:

Sep 1872 
Altrincham  8a 357   
Jane Ann Leigh -  Walter Daniel Murray     

 

The one birth in West Derby in 1882 is
Thomas Murray Dec 1882 West Derby 8b 457

[littlej]

Hi Tati.,

Yes, the first I'm almost certain is correct, and the second I was so sure about, but having just got the cert, what do you know WRONG AGAIN!

Thanks anyway for looking.

Jac

[DS]

Southport Lancs, which I believe is in the Registration District of W. Derby.

Hello littlej

I could be completely wrong but I thought that Southport (and previously North Meols) was part of the Ormskirk Registration District until 1974.

If I am correct, it does not help directly since I cannot see any suitable birth registrations for him there, but it may help indirectly by ruling out all of the remaining ones in West Derby and saving a bit of cash.

Can anyone else please advise for certain which Registration District was appropriate for Southport in the 1880s ?

DS

[Pels.]

Hi DS,

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/ormskirk.html

You are quite correct Southport was in the Ormskirk registration district from 1894 until 1934, before 1894 it was in North Meols.

Kind regards,

Pels

[Treelover]

Hi,

Don't always believe what you see on marriage certs.  On my husband's side he had a relation who had actually put her GRANDFATHERS name on her marriage certificate.  Her father died when she was two and before you say " she was brought up by her grandfather - no he died when she was 3".

Answer = occupation Policeman sounded better than journeyman 

Hope you find your answer

Joan

[Pels.]

Hi DS,

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/ormskirk.html

You are quite correct Southport was in the Ormskirk registration district from 1894 until 1934, before 1894 it was in North Meols.

Kind regards,

Pels

I still wasn't too happy with my understanding of the way Genuki had explained the registration district of North Meols last night - I therefore queried this with Gadget. 

With her kind permission this is a copy of a PM she sent to me at 02.30 this morning, while I was fast asleep! 

I've been reading around this and this is my interpretation:

North Meols

Was a sub-district of Ormskirk from 1837 to 1974 - as on Ormskirk page.

It included Southport. until 1894. Southport then became a separate sub-district of Ormskirk until 1934 when it became a full District in its own right.

North Meols was never a District in its own right and, I think, was always a sub- to Orsmkirk until 1974 when it became part of Merseyside District,

I was puzzled because North Meols doesn't appear as a registration district in its own right on FreeBMD.

Kind regards,

Pels

[Gadget]

Southport Lancs, which I believe is in the Registration District of W. Derby.

Hello littlej

I could be completely wrong but I thought that Southport (and previously North Meols) was part of the Ormskirk Registration District until 1974.

If I am correct, it does not help directly since I cannot see any suitable birth registrations for him there, but it may help indirectly by ruling out all of the remaining ones in West Derby and saving a bit of cash.

Can anyone else please advise for certain which Registration District was appropriate for Southport in the 1880s ?

DS

And, as I became involved with this thread, I concur with DS that Southport was never part of West Derby:

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/west%20derby.html

Sub-districts (of West Derby) : Bootle; Crosby; Everton; Everton North; Everton North West; Everton; Everton South East; Fazakerley; Kirkdale; Litherland; North Everton; South Everton; Toxteth Park; Walton; Wavertree; West Derby; West Derby Eastern; West Derby Western.

Gadget

[mosiefish]

Hi,

Just to get back to the Daniel/David query on the marriage certificate. I am sure others will agree that these two names can often be misread and therefore copied incorrectly as one or the other.  I know I sometimes have to look twice when transcribing.

Regards,
Mo