Harknet & Hartgroves surnames

[moors]

It looks as though James Hartgroves (M) Mary Hasler , they had William who (M) Ann Weall 1807 at Roding Essex. They had John (B) Nov. 1817 (my connection) Issac (B) Jan. 1820 (who is connected to "Mallard 45" What do you think.

[Ronson]

Thanks
We obviously connect at William and Ann. However, I am also descended by the direct Male Line from Isaac, of whom I have quite a lot of information and deep respect.
regards.

[moors]

Ronson, thank you for your reply as you will note John Hartgrove a son of William and Ann Hartgrove who (M) Mary Ann Harknett they had a daughter Ann Elizabeth who (M) Walter William Hughes 1875 who  had several children one of whom was my Grandfather Thomas Anthony.
Question you state descended from male line of Issas lot of info. also deep respect. can you tell me more?

[Ronson]

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Isaac B 1820 Joined the army in 1841 and travelled to China then back to India in 1843. He marched with his regiment from Calcutta to the NW frontier. He returned to England in 1855 when he married my GGGM Sarah Ann Bull in Weedon Northants. They returned to India and stayed until 1862 when he was invalided out and became a Chelsea Outpensioner at 1s:6d per week. He rose through the ranks to become Colour Sergeant  the highest non commissioned rank, had an exemplory record and received three campiagn medals. There were three children William Henry my GGF, Sarah and Henry these latter two died in India. On discharge they returned to Northampton where Isaac died in 1872.
Mallard 45 must be of the William Henry clan since he was the only surviving child of Isaac. I have copies of Isaac's army paybooks and his discharge papers. My cousin in Northampton has the originals together with his medals.
regards

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[moors]

It seems that rising through the ranks continues as my Grandfather was a C.S.M (T/SSM)in the A.S.C when he received the M.C. London Gazette 1st January 1918. Unfortunately I have no citation for this award.  I have been told that this was an award for conspicuous gallantry. My Grandfather was placed in the Duke of Yorks School when he was coming up to ten, and served in the army until 1920.

[Fryer]

My Great Grandmother was Annie Hartgrove (not Hartgroves) born Epping/Toot Hill/Stamford Rivers Essex 1861 died Walthamstow 1948. I have her grave certificate. Her father was Dan Hartgrove of Toot Hill Stamford Rivers and there was also an Aunt Emily who may have been her sister also an Uncle Tom who was Dan Hartgrove's son. I have posted elsewhere on this website more details. Annie Hartgrove married a man called Southgate from Ipswich and had three children George Harry Southgate (known as Uncle Harry), Daisy and Rose Alice or Alice Rose my maternal Grandmother. Annie Southgate then married a man called Hobbs after Southgate died in 1891 and they lived off Springfield Road Chelmsford and later George Street off Moulsham Street Chelmsford. They moved to Walthamstow and Annie Hartgrove/Southgate/Hobbs was known as Granny Hobbs and was buried in Queens Road Cemetery Walthmastow in 1948. I have her grave certificate. Annie Hartgrove's son George Harry Southgate had a son Harry Southgate who is still alive as Air Vice Marshall Southgate in  Who's Who. George Harry Southgate did some sketches/cartoons in WW1 and they are in the Essex Record Office and the National Army Museum. I did a memoir "Essex Boy Walthamstow and Rainham 1949-1959 available on Walthamstow Memories website and also Essex Record Office, Vestrey Museum Walthamstow. I have photos but this system does not let me post tho it used to!!!! I am trying to retrieve a phot of Annie Hartgrove from relatives in canada and USA!!!!

[Fryer]

Pics above are Rose Alice Fryer nee Southgate or Annie Hartgrove's daughter with husband Jack Fryer in the 1960s at Framlingham castle. The other is Air Vice Marshall Harry Southgate CB in the 1970s and he was Annie Hartgrove's Grandson by her son George Harry Southgate. Cousin Harry would stay with Aunty Emily possibly Annie Hartgrove's sister at the cottage in Toot Hill Stamford Rivers.

[Fryer]

Annie Hartgrove's grave certificate. Ooops. She died 1949 not 1948. Having been Mrs Harry Southgate she married again and died Mrs Hobbs or Granny Hobbs. Also Annie Hartgrove's daughter Rose Alice Southgate or Alice Rose Southgate aged 17 in about 1903. I tried but the system says its the same file name and I can't be bothered now!

[Fryer]

Annie Hartgrove 1861-1949 died in Walthamstow 1949 one of her daughters Rose Alice or Alice Rose Southgate is shown above with husband Jack Fryer. Also is Air Vice Marshall Harry Southgate Annie Hartgrove's Grandson who is in Who's Who. Annie Hartgrove married Harry Southgate from Ipswich and he was a blacksmith in Epping, Essex. He died in 1891. Annie Hartgrove then married a man called Hobbs and was buried as Annie Hobbs she died April 9th 1949 and was buried in Queen's Road Cemetary Walthamstow.