need correct birth dates- COMPLETED Thanks CAS!!!!

[NYGaPeach]

You are quite clever figuring out the information regarding the deaths through the IGI...     I am very impressed.  I know the history of William and John once they left Merthyr...and you are correct.  After Naomi died William joined the Mormon church [1850] and John joined soon after.  I don't know if Maria joined or not but they left for America sailing on the Josiah Bradley.  They deported at the Port of New Orleans.  Maria stayed with a family in St. Louis by the name of Rogers as she had become ill while Wm. and John went to find work.  Maria died.  Wm. and John found work in Illinois but were not together.   It is said they only saw each other every other week-end.  On one of these meetings John was told that his father had died and so he was left alone- an orphan in a new country as a teenager.  He somehow made it to Utah.  He was a terrific swimmer and saved a few lives from drowning.  He had been blinded in one eye from a stray spark from a Blacksmith shop in Merthyr when he was a lad but it is said he could see more with that one eye than most men could see with two!  He is my husband's great great grandfather.  We are just learning about the Welsh heritage.  Unbeknownst to us of that heritage at the time we named our boys- Logan, Trevor and Devin- good strong Welsh names.  I tried attaching a picture but can't figure out how to do it.  I will try to look up the sites you gave me.  Thanks again...

[Cas (stallc)]

Great story NY, wonderful when information is passed down through the generations, it gives incite into who our ancestors were.

Going back over the thread, I was intent on research and missed a few of your thoughts and questions.  If you google the 'name Mary - Maria'.  Mary is given as the English version of Maria or Miriam originating from the bible and the virgin Mary. 

I do not know if it was interchangable in Wales around that time, but her mother was Mary, so perhaps Maria's name was written as the English version by others sometimes?

As for Williams work...the main occ around that time in Merthyr was Iron if you google there is quite a lot of information.  Others were of course coal mining. 

It was not uncommon for children to be brought up by grandparents when the mother died, it seems that Maria may have died in childbirth with her youngest daughter, and namesake possibly.  It would be very difficult for the father to work and care for such small children as you mentioned.

The only likely possible for Will in 1841 I can find is possibly living/lodging with John James 25, wife Mary 25 and 2 children under a year old.  Although it could be he is on his own...sometimes the strokes enumerators give to end household can be misleading.  Ages in the 1841 were nearly always rounded down to the nearest 5 if over 15.  So ages are approx.

1841 - H0107 piece 1415 book 6

Address Patient Street ?? Merthyr Tydfil

Wm Rees, 40, coalminer, born in county

Just for info there is also an ancestral file submitted on the IGI for John Rees and Mary Jones 11 children are listed

Cas 

[NYGaPeach]

Thanks for all of the info...  I found something that listed him as a boilermaker.  Would that be an occupation in the ironworks?

[Cas (stallc)]

It is given as industrial metalworker, so very possible

www.rmhh.co.uk/occup/b2.html

As you can see I am a great fan of google.  If you google 'boilermaker ironworks' you can see that is was an old occ in the ironworks.

If you want info on the baptisms confirmed for John & Mary children let me know

Cas

[NYGaPeach]

Are you kidding?  I would LOVE that information.  You are teaching me many new uses for google... I have so enjoyed "talking" with you.  Is there a database for those earlier records that would tell who their parents are?

[Cas (stallc)]

Ok will take info from the Ancestral file for John Reese/Mary Jones to see if I can match what is there for you, will also check marriages, may take a while....

'Glamorgan Family History' produce CDs that hold records.  I have marriages and baptisms pre 1837.  As a member you can ask for look ups, although it is a fee to join annual.

You can also find free info from the 'Glamorgan look up exchange', google for site, there are some that will help for BMD and MI's in the Merthyr area, check it out I have found them very helpful, you may get lucky.

will be back soon...Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Marriage: William Rees - Maria Mason married 19 May 1823 Merthyr Tydfil both of parish (CB) by consent and banns.  There is also an extracted record on IGI for this marriage, source is Bishop transcripts 1717-1858 parish church of Merthyr Tydfil, not sure which one is the parish church...think it maybe St Tydfils  Cannot find any baptisms for their children.

Marriage: John Rees - Mary Jones married 9 April 1798 Merthyr Tydfil, both of parish (B) by banns

All baptisms of Rees children for John/Mary occ when given for John is miner

John - 25/8/1799 address Kilnhill Merthyr Tydfil
William - 16/9/1800 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Mary - 23/5/1803 address Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil
Elizabeth - 2/10/1804 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Evan - 2/2/1806 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Ann - cannot locate
George - 24/6/1810 address Merthyr Tydfil
Sarah - 9/6/1812 address Merthyr Tydfil
Ruth - 27/11/1814 address Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil
Susannah - 20/2/1814 address Clynwith Merthyr Tydfil
Benjamin - 12/6/1816 address Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil

Cas

[NYGaPeach]

WOW!!!  I couldn't wait to get home and see if you had been able to find the dates for John and Mary.  I didna't expect find SO much fabulous information!  I am not familiar with the terms consent and banns.  What do they mean?  I will try to find records of that church...who knows?  I could get lucky as you say!  Thanks again and again and again! 

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi NY,

Before a couple could be married in the parish church (or elsewhere) their 'banns' (basically this was their names) had to be read to the congregation for 3 consecutive Sundays before the union could be blessed.  This allowed the locals to bring notice why they should not be married in church (or not at all)  ie bigamy or possibly if the couple were related etc.

Where the couple came from different parishes the banns were read in both.  The wedding nearly always took place in the brides parish.  Sometimes the parish given is were the people are living and not necessarily were they were born.

Other ways to marry were by licence but this was much more costly, as soon as the licence was issued the couple could marry without delay.

As far as I am aware married by consent would mean that one or both parties were underage and consent of a parent was needed.

The original registers (there would not be certs before sept 1837) are held in Glamorgan Records Office, Cardiff.  You could obtain a copy of the entry via email/post for a fee if you wish, do not know if it would hold any other info than I have given, but may hold the name of the person who gave consent in Willam - Maria marriage.

Cas