morgan street 1800/1960

[JimmyMedic]

Hi everyone

Looking for information on residents of 1 Morgan Street, Waterford in 1919. 

My Grandfather - James Ryan was born 1919 and I believe he lived there. His Mother (photo attached) is listed as having the same surname (Ryan), her first name is unknown. No Father listed on his birth record.

[JimmyMedic]

His Mother (photo attached) is listed as having the same surname (Ryan), her first name is unknown. No Father listed on his birth record.

Further to this - I have discovered that my Grandfathers Mother was Madeline Ryan and lived at 1 Morgan Street, Waterford at the birth of my Grandfather in 1919.  There was another person present at the time of his birth, a Mary Ryan, also residing at 1 Morgan Street.  I think this may have been the Mother of Madeline Ryan, also no Father present for her. 

Any information or connections to the Ryan's here would be really helpful. 

[rathmore]

Morgan street listed on census of ireland 1901/1911

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie

type in townland/street box Morgan

[JimmyMedic]

Morgan street listed on census of ireland 1901/1911

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie

type in townland/street box Morgan

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Thanks for the reply. My Grandfather was born 1919 so a little after the available dates.

I have found a family at nearby addresses that have the names Mary Ryan and Mary M Ryan. I wondered if this could be his Grandmother and Mother. 

The middle name of his Mother could have been Madeline, but used as both listed were Mary the maybe they called her Madeline or “Madge” as my own Grandmother can recall.

My Grandfather had no Father listed on the birth certificate but there was a man that could of been his father living with the 2 Mary’s listed above, he was also a James Ryan.

[JimmyMedic]

I have found out a bit more but still need some help...

Is Morgan Street Court the same as Morgan Street?

My Grandfather (James Ryan) was born at 1 Morgan Street Court, his Mother listed as Mary Madeline Ryan on birth record but other records confirm her name was Mary Margaret Ryan at the same address and listed as Mother to James Ryan, also listed present at the time was Mary Ellen Ryan (? Mary Margaret's Mother). 

I have a birth and death records that matches details of my Grandfathers Mother (Mary Margaret Ryan), she died in 1957 at 1 Morgan Street Court. I have found another record that is likely to be my Grandfathers Father (also James Ryan).  James Ryan senior died 1930 at 1 Morgan Street Court in the presence of Mary E Ryan, his year of birth would be different to the census records I have seen for the matching names and places of my family, so a little confused with that at present. 

The census details say James Ryan senior born 1871, the death record for him at Morgan Street Court say he was aged 69 years at death, that would make his year of birth 1861 and not 1871 as thought, unless something has not been written correctly in the records and maybe he was aged 59 at death and not 69, could this be the case???

I am also keen to find any burial records for both people who resided and died at 1 Morgan Street Court, Waterford:

- James Ryan died 1930 (wife Mary E Ryan). My Grandmother (still alive at the time of writing) seems to think he was buried in a white robe - if that means anything to anyone.

- Mary Margaret Ryan died 1957.

I have searched the records in irishgenealogy.ie, findagrave.com and census.nationalarchives.ie

It would also be great to find out about the property history of 1 Morgan Street Court, any pointers on how I can do that? 

[aghadowey]

Looks like image of James Ryan’s birth isn’t available online? “There is currently no image to display. This may be because the record was registered or amended in a later year, or there are quality issues with the original image.”
If no father was listed then James was illegitimate and it will be very difficult to find a paper trail to his father.

Ages in documents are often incorrect. Sometimes the informant didn’t give the correct details but just as often a person wouldn’t have been sure of their exact age or date of birth.
The 1930 death certificate for James Ryan clearly shows he was married & the informant was his wife Mary E. Ryan-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1930/04912/4332588.pdf
His occupation was listed as baker which fits with this household in 1911 census at 21 Francis St.-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__1/Francis_Street/669595/
According to Google Maps, Morgan Street Court is now a sort of alley off Morgan St.
Same family in 1911 with Mary Ellen’s unmarried sister, Stacia Kelly, in household (note that both Mary Ellen & Stacia born Co. Waterford & not Waterford city)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__3/Doyle_s_Street/1764439/
Here’s their marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10510/5828475.pdf
Likely death for James Ryan’s father Edward in 1890 (age 50 so born c1840)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06087/4736798.pdf

Death of Mary Margaret Ryan-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04386/4140165.pdf

[Kiltaglassan]

Is Morgan Street Court the same as Morgan Street?

 

No, Morgan Street Court was off Morgan Street in Waterford. Have a look at this map on the GeoHive National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
https://arcg.is/4qWDf

Now compare it with the Historic 25" Map of 1897-1913.
https://arcg.is/1Pm9q00

[JimmyMedic]

Looks like image of James Ryan’s birth isn’t available online? “There is currently no image to display. This may be because the record was registered or amended in a later year, or there are quality issues with the original image.”
If no father was listed then James was illegitimate and it will be very difficult to find a paper trail to his father.

Thanks for your time on this, I do (or atleast did until I deleted it) have a copy of this information on James Ryan's birth, it is listed at 1 Morgan Street Court, same place as the death of Mary Margaret Ryan in 1957 and James Ryan (senior) in 1930.
 
I did find some of the information you had posted already, my confusion is over the age at death of James Ryan in 1930, the names match through the census details - just the age doesn't match that listed in the death notice.

No, Morgan Street Court was off Morgan Street in Waterford. Have a look at this map on the GeoHive National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
https://arcg.is/4qWDf

Now compare it with the Historic 25" Map of 1897-1913.
https://arcg.is/1Pm9q00

Thanks for the links