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WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« on: Saturday 14 July 07 08:02 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

I realised today I have never posted about my Canadian family in this forum so I thought I'd cast the net out there and see who might recognise them - you never know!

My great-great-grandparents Edward John WAGNER and Charlotte Alice nee FITCH emigrated to Canada in 1910 and 1911 respectively (great-great-grandma waited for the birth of her first granddaughter who later became my Grandma!).

They left my Great-grandma in England but took their sons, Ernest Ivor Charles (known as Ivor) and Stanley Vincent (known as Vincent) with them. One son Lawrence was in the British Army, and one Albert, had already emigrated to Canada.

Here's some of what I know of them - hopefully enough to get a bell ringing somewhere - we live in hope!

Husband: Edward John WAGNER

          Born: Jun qtr 1864 - London St Pancras Middlesex England
          Died: July 1940 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
        Buried: 22 July 1940 - Old Greenwood Cemetery, Saulte Ste Marie,
                 Ontario, Canada
        Father: Edward WAGNER (1836-Aft 1901)
        Mother: Ann PEARCE (1846-Aft 1901)
      Marriage: 20 June 1886                    Place: Westminster, London,
                 Middlesex, England


   Wife: Charlotte Alice FITCH

          Born: 15 July 1870 - Shoreditch, London, Middlesex, England
      Baptised:
          Died: 17 December 1953 - Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada
        Buried: 19 December 1953 - Old Greenwood Cemetery, Saulte Ste Marie,
                 Ontario, Canada
        Father: Charles William Harriman FITCH (1846-1903)
        Mother: Sarah LOVELL (1842-Aft 1901)

Children

1  M  Albert Edward (Bert) "Bingo" WAGNER
          Born: 1886 - St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
          Died: 4 September 1940 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
        Buried:  - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
        Spouse: Annie SMITH (Abt 1873-1961)
    Marr. Date: 10 November 1910 - Steelton, Algoma, Ontaria, Canada
       
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2  F  Theresa Alice (Lala) WAGNER
          Born: 24 September 1888 - Wandsworth, West Battersea, Surrey, England
        Died: 4 August 1984 - Harrogate, W Yorkshire, England
        Spouse: Bernard Pearson HUSBANDS (1885-1969)
    Marr. Date: 26 July 1909 - Ecclesall Bierlow, W Yorkshire, England
     
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3  M  Lawrence Bramleigh WAGNER
          Born: Sep qtr 1893 - Wandsworth, West Battersea, Surrey, England
          Died: 28 April 1917 - Gavrelle Windmill, France
        Buried:  - Pas de Calais, Arras, France
       
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4  M  Ernest Ivor Charles WAGNER
          Born: 4 November 1900 - Wandsworth, West Battersea, Surrey, England
          Died: 15 September 1979 - Holland Centre, Ontario, Canada
        Buried: 19 September 1979
        Spouse: Evelyn TAYLOR (1900-1967)
    Marr. Date: 4 June 1924 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
        Spouse: Beatrice Emma MELBYE (1912-1996)
   
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5  M  Stanley Vincent WAGNER
          Born: 16 March 1906 - Sheffield, West Yorkshire, England
          Died: Abt 1949  Canada
        Spouse: Catherine Bell (Katie) TONNER (1909-1981)
    Marr. Date: 19 October 1927 - Saulte Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada
        Spouse: Frances ? (          -          )
 
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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 July 07 11:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Kazz,

Here are a few in the 1911 Census:

40 Huron, Steelton, Algoma West, Ontario
District 55, Ward 1, Sub-district 17, Page 24

Albert E Wagner, M, Head, M, Oct 1883, 27, England, 1907, Tailor
Annie Wagner, F, Wife, M, Oct 1872, 38, Ontario
Edward J Wagner, M, Father, M, June 1863, 47, England, 1911, Tailor
Ivor Wagner, M, Lodger, S, Nov 1900, 10, England, 1911

Looks like Albert arrived in 1907 and Edward and son Ivor in 1911.  Charlotte and the other children must have arrived after the census which was dated June 1, 1911.

Hope that helps,

Nancy
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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 July 07 12:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you Nancy,

I did know that some were on the 1911 census and some not! My grandma was born 8 May 1911 in Sheffield, Yorkshire, so I knew that her grandmother was still in England at that time.

But there were a few details there I hadn't noted down - have done so now!  :)

I appreciate your interest!
GRACE, HADLEY, ION,MURFET(T), SIZER, WALTERS, WISE - Tasmania,

BATTY, COLE,  GIBBS, GIBBINS/GIBBONS, GODDARD, GURNEY, HUGHES, JONES, LEE, PENNY, TROWER, WHALE, WILSHAW, WOODCOCK
New Zealand,

LEONARD, ROLLINGS, SIZER/SIZAR and many others - Cambridgeshire


BLACKBURN, CUNNINGHAM, DEAN, DOWGILL, GILL,HAINSWORTH, HUSBANDS, LOWE,  MABBLE, MARSHALL, MOORHOUSE, MYERS, PEARSON,PRESTON,  RAYNER, RILEY, SHOESMITH, SIGSTON, SKINN, TURNER, WARD, WILDMAN, WRIGHT

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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 July 07 19:56 BST (UK) »
This may be Ivor ... fibbiing about his age and who his mother was, I think, to get enlisted...WW1
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/651564a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/651564b.gif
birth date is also correct, so I'd say this was he,.. J.J.
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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 July 07 20:51 BST (UK) »
JJ

Yes this is him - Charlotte often went by Alice (her 2nd name)  :)

Naughty boy for fibbing!  ::)

Thanks for that - much appreciated!

Cheers

Karen!
GRACE, HADLEY, ION,MURFET(T), SIZER, WALTERS, WISE - Tasmania,

BATTY, COLE,  GIBBS, GIBBINS/GIBBONS, GODDARD, GURNEY, HUGHES, JONES, LEE, PENNY, TROWER, WHALE, WILSHAW, WOODCOCK
New Zealand,

LEONARD, ROLLINGS, SIZER/SIZAR and many others - Cambridgeshire


BLACKBURN, CUNNINGHAM, DEAN, DOWGILL, GILL,HAINSWORTH, HUSBANDS, LOWE,  MABBLE, MARSHALL, MOORHOUSE, MYERS, PEARSON,PRESTON,  RAYNER, RILEY, SHOESMITH, SIGSTON, SKINN, TURNER, WARD, WILDMAN, WRIGHT

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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 July 08 04:43 BST (UK) »
Kazzaqid,


 
  Emma Melbye's  front window faced  the parachutes  in  Riverview,  always a favorite place of mine on Oakley ave, after climbing all those stairs  as a  child

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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 July 08 21:49 BST (UK) »
welcome to rootschat GusJr.
Karen I can see your Lawrence Bramleigh on the CWGC, but he has not been listed at the The Canadian Virtual War Memorial, ( You'll have to see that he gets his name on there) nor can I find his signups...
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=778518
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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 July 08 22:06 BST (UK) »
Hi JJ,

He was a career soldier in the British Royal Marines - he joined as a lad of 15 before his parents emigrated to Canada, so that's why he's not listed as part of a Canadian force.

Thank you for looking though!
GRACE, HADLEY, ION,MURFET(T), SIZER, WALTERS, WISE - Tasmania,

BATTY, COLE,  GIBBS, GIBBINS/GIBBONS, GODDARD, GURNEY, HUGHES, JONES, LEE, PENNY, TROWER, WHALE, WILSHAW, WOODCOCK
New Zealand,

LEONARD, ROLLINGS, SIZER/SIZAR and many others - Cambridgeshire


BLACKBURN, CUNNINGHAM, DEAN, DOWGILL, GILL,HAINSWORTH, HUSBANDS, LOWE,  MABBLE, MARSHALL, MOORHOUSE, MYERS, PEARSON,PRESTON,  RAYNER, RILEY, SHOESMITH, SIGSTON, SKINN, TURNER, WARD, WILDMAN, WRIGHT

Yorkshire

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Re: WAGNER of Sault Ste Marie and Owen Sound
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 July 08 22:19 BST (UK) »
Kazzaqid,


 
  Emma Melbye's  front window faced  the parachutes  in  Riverview,  always a favorite place of mine on Oakley ave, after climbing all those stairs  as a  child

Hi Gus,

I knew her as Auntie Bea - I did meet her once but I was only about 5 or 6 at the time.

She seemed like a really nice lady.

GRACE, HADLEY, ION,MURFET(T), SIZER, WALTERS, WISE - Tasmania,

BATTY, COLE,  GIBBS, GIBBINS/GIBBONS, GODDARD, GURNEY, HUGHES, JONES, LEE, PENNY, TROWER, WHALE, WILSHAW, WOODCOCK
New Zealand,

LEONARD, ROLLINGS, SIZER/SIZAR and many others - Cambridgeshire


BLACKBURN, CUNNINGHAM, DEAN, DOWGILL, GILL,HAINSWORTH, HUSBANDS, LOWE,  MABBLE, MARSHALL, MOORHOUSE, MYERS, PEARSON,PRESTON,  RAYNER, RILEY, SHOESMITH, SIGSTON, SKINN, TURNER, WARD, WILDMAN, WRIGHT

Yorkshire