My Gloag Family complete

[rwelbourn]

Let me introduce myself -- I'm Rob Welbourn, and I have Robert Guest Gloag in my tree.  Ken found my tree on Ancestry and contacted me.

I can identify the people in the second gravestone photo on page 3 of this thread.

Elizabeth (b. 1856), Emma (b. 1861) and Annie Fingleton (b. 1870) were the daughters of Mary Ann Langley and Henry Fingleton.  Mary Ann's age on the gravestone looks wrong to me -- she would have been about 67, not 63, as the censuses show her to have been born in about 1830, and she married in 1851.

Surviving members of the family appear to have emigrated to Rhode Island in the early 1900s.   Henry and daughter Ada moved there sometime after Ada's marriage in 1902 to William Henry Draper.  Yes, Ada was the sister of Henry's first wife Emma.  It was illegal at the time for someone to marry their deceased wife's sister, but it certainly happened (one of my forbears did the same thing).  The Draper family, too, decamped to Rhode Island.

Now things start getting quite tangled.  Another of the Fingleton sisters, Mary Ellen, who was the eldest (b. 1852), married John Owens in 1872 in Manchester.  Soon after Mary Ellen died in 1904, John and their family moved to Rhode Island.  Their eldest daughter, Maria Jane B Owens (b. 1873), had become Robert Guest Gloag's second wife in 1898, marrying in Barton-on-Irwell registration district.  In other words, Robert married his late wife's niece, who was three years younger than her aunt.

Back to the Drapers.  William Henry Draper managed to have 16 children during the course of three marriages.  (There was one marriage before the Fingleton sisters), most of whom appear to have ended up in Rhode Island.  One child, Raymond (b. 1900), married my relative Edith Olive Hird.  The Hird family immigrated to Rhode Island in around 1882, from Bradford, Yorkshire. 

So that's my connection to this tangled mess of Fingletons and Gloags.

Rob

[uk2003]

Hi Rob

Welcome to rootschat

Credit for finding your tree has to go to fellow rootchatter agnes1896

Regards
Ken

[old boy]

Hi Rob

Nice to have some one who can make sense of all this, my connection to all this is through the gloag family starting with Mary elizabeth b1894 Who married William morris b c1894 , they married 1919in prestwich manchester  they are my wife's grandparents and so it goes on.

This has really battered my head over the last few days but with some great help from Tati, Ken and others i am slowly getting a bit sorted

Cheers Steve

[Tati]

Hi Rob, and welcome 

There's one question I'd like to ask you - we haven't proven how Robert Guest Gloag connects to Steve's Gloag family: Do you know whose son Robert Guest Gloag was?       

[rwelbourn]

From the 1881 and 1891 censuses, it is fairly clear: Robert Gloag, b. 1867 in London, was the son of Richard Gloag, a tin plate worker, b. c. 1838 in Whitefield, Lances, and Sarah Ann, b. c. 1837 in Manchester, a silk winder.  His siblings were: George John, b. c. 1869 in London, Sarah Ann b. c. 1870 in Manchester, and Walter, b. c. 1876 in Manchester.

It looks like Richard and Sarah Ann married in Shoreditch in 1866.  Here's a snip from the FreeBMD entry:

Surname     First name(s)          District     Vol     Page
Marriages Jun 1866   (>99%)
GLOAG            Richard                 Shoreditch    1c     298   
JONES             Sarah A                Shoreditch    1c     298   
Middleton        Sarah                   Shoreditch    1c     298   
Newman         James                   Shoreditch      1c     298   

I'm betting she was Sarah Ann Jones, rather than Sarah Middleton.

From the 1861 census we can see that Richard was the son of John Gloag, b. c. 1800 in Scotland, who married Harriet.  (Couldn't find the marriage, though).  In 1841 we can see Janet Gloag, b. c. 1785 in Scotland, living with the family -- possibly John's mother?

Rob

[Tati]

OK, you've worked along the same lines then 
I was just wondering where the Guest came from, given he wasn't registered as Robert Guest Gloag.  

[uk2003]

Hi Tati

I may have the reason for the "Guest" being missing from the register.

Found this entry in Q4 1866

[Tati]

Well, what can I say!!  Wish my tree was growing as quickly!

[uk2003]

Oh my brain hurts now on this 

Done a bit more thinking "Outside the box" again ouch-uch-ouch 

Who the hell would call a child "Guest" - my thinking now, his middle name was after someone else. So went looking.

1861 I have one possible, living in Chorlton upon Medlock, a Charles Guest Norris (6) and he was born in Prestwich. Prestwich & Whitefield are next to each other.

I will not add to the confusion any more, they may be cousins or family friends - we will never know  unless someone wants to look for a Norris connection