help with the family line ?

[GRACELAND]

 
Hi , A question !
          MY G G Granmother remaried and had more children
          my line comes from first marrage ,
         the children from the second marrage grew up had children
         these children grew up and now i have met one
           How is he related  ie cousin ect ??
                   

[Welsh Jen]

I would make that out to be your Half 2nd cousin

 

Your G Grandmother/father had a half brother / sister

G Grandmother/father had a child  / half brother or sister had a child
(those children are half 1st cousins)

when those children grow and have children they are
half 2nd cousins

Mind boggling! 

 

[Nick Carver]

I've never fully understood the bit about being once (or more) removed. As I understand it, if I and somebody else share the same ggrandparent, we are second cousins. The child of that person would be my second cousin once removed - is that correct? If so, would I also be that person's second cousin once removed or (what I currently think) I would be that person's  third cousin once removed because we share a gg grandparent (from their perspective)? I know it's trivial, but it's bugging me. I always thought that the relationship would be the same in either direction, but perhaps somebody can clear this up once and for all?

I never gave it a second thought until I came across Rootschat. It has a lot to answer for !!!

[Welsh Jen]

Hi Nick

I use an example here (hope not confusing!)

My father & my father's cousin
(they share the same Grandparents)

but my father's cousin is my 1st cousin once removed (as I am further down a generation)

have I made it worse? 

............additional post: just found this, perhaps it will help?:
http://www.obliquity.com/family/misc/cousin.html

[Berlin-Bob]

Graceland,

He is a half fourth cousin, or maybe a fourth half cousin !!

I went to this site: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/krakow/relations.asp

and in the second box "additional relationships" I selected "show all relationships"

The chart tells me/us that relations of siblings of g-g-grandparents are fourth cousins,  so step-relationships are "half" the full monty !

There is also an chart for half-relations, but that only goes up to grandparents ... but it does distinctly say "half cousin" !

Nick, the "show all relationships" chart clearly shows the 1st, 2nd 3rd.  relationships and the once, twice ... removeds

There are actually two groups of "removeds", the simple one is:
My cousin is my cousin (no removals !)
my cousin's kids are my cousins, once removed,
their kids are my cousins, twice removed,
etc

the other one is towards the top right of the chart, but I don't know how that is defined (in words !)

Hope this helps !

[JLo]

Wait a minute I just need to draw it.....

If I have read your original post correctly, the person you met is the same generation as your grandparents and would be your half cousin twice removed!   

Your cousins become 'removed' when they are a different generation to you.  The person you met is two generations different from you, so they would be twice removed. 

  Your G G Grandparents
|                                  | 
|                                  |
Your G Gparents        Children from second marriage                        <--        HALF SIBLINGS
|                                               |
|                                               |
Your grandparents               Their children (who I think you met)      <--       HALF COUSINS
|                                               
|                                               
Your parents                                                           
|                                                                                             
You!                                                                         

If I have misunderstood your original post, let me know and I'll try and draw it again!!

[Berlin-Bob]

Thanks, Jill, I think I misread it too !!

Who exactly did you meet, Graceland ? 

the children from the second marrage ( your half g-g-grandaunts, uncles)
grew up had children (your 1st. half-cousins, 3 times removed)
these children grew up and now i have met one

so he's your your 1st. half-cousin, 3 times removed !!

or did you forget a few "and they had children"s somewhere 

[Nick Carver]

I think there's moe to come here. Jen's post would suggest that I am wrong in assuming that the relationship is not the same depending on whose perspective is being taken, but I detect a suggestion of a contrary opinion in other replies.

Is there a definitive source for the question?

[Hackstaple]

If they do not share your blood they are not cousins - there are no half cousins - those are courtesy cousins. If they share your blood through common grandparents then they are cousins to some degree.
Of course further and more remote degrees of kinship come through ggparents and so on.