1851 census Williams

[Mansl]

I am looking for a family in the 1851 census Father Arthur Williams(was a Publican in 1859 when his daughter got married in Dudley).Daughter Eliza Mary born about 1842 in Kingswinford.Thankyou Billy

[jacquelineve]

Hello Billy

 Can't find anything in 1851- have you Eliza in later census?

The only Baptism I can find for an Eliza Mary with father

Arthur is at Kings Bromly Staffs.

                    Jackie.

[Mansl]

Hi Jackie
             I Got a copy of the marriage between Joseph Stevens and eliza yesterday from Dudley Archives while I was passing I have her 1n 1861 census with her husband Joseph Ste(a)vons in that she is aged 19 b.Kingswinford.On the marriage details 1859 Spinster minor residing in Dudley Father Arthur Williams Publican.Witnesses Arthur Williams  Mary Williams (perhaps parents)looks like Mary definateley begins with M.I Have found a Eliza Williams b.1840  registered Stourbridge.I think she died in Wolstanton I think it was you who gave me that death or it may have been Trees I cant find it at the moment.Although it was a fair way from Kingswinford it wasn't far from  Joseph's second marriage to Jane Phillips 1868 St Anne,Brown Edge,Leek.I had someone look it up yesterday for me in Stafford and its the same Joseph.Jane then died abt 1876 and he married Emma Lyons.Billy

[jacquelineve]

Billy

 If it's the Joseph + Eliza living at Bilston in 1861 census

Eliza's birthplace is Kings Bromley not Kingswinford.


                       Jackie.

[Mansl]

Jackie
         It is them living at Bilston.Billy

[jacquelineve]

Billy

 The only Eliza Mary born Kings Bromley in 1851 that I
could find, is living at Stafford St Mary,Stafford

Fathers name John Tkarret? Williams 49 INNKEEPER.

Look at the IGI index for Eliza Mary'S BAPTISM 1842

father Arthur mother Elizabeth.if you click on the batch no,

put in Williams- parents christian names you will see all the

children belonging to them.

                       Jackie.

[yonderpeasant]

I found this family also.Trying to track them by the children these   results for 1841 1851 and 1861 are found.
1841 Staffs Kings Bromley by Regis  HO107/0975/fol 5/13 p1
Fighting Cocks Inn
Arthur Williams 40 Publican Not born in County
Elizabeth           40
Sarah                 13
William                 7
Elizabeth              5
Lucy                    2
jane                      1
Maria                    3 months
rest all born in county

1851 Staffs Stafford HO107/1999/277/2
86 Foregate Street
John Thirkett Williams head mar 49 Innkeeper b.Leics Melton
Elizabeth                    wife  mar  51               b.Staffs
Robert                       son    U 19  cordwainer b.Staffs Kings Bromley
william                       son       17 butcher              do
Elizabeth                   daur       15                         do
Jane                          daur       11                         do
Maria                          daur       9                          do
Eliza  Mary                 daur       7                           do
Charlotte Weill           servant  14/24  servant of all work  b.Staffs Wheaton Aston
Thos Cope                  servant   30 ostler                        b.staffs Dracott le wold
John smith                 visitor mar 30 last maker b.Warks Lapworth
Henry Lightboure Crutchley visitor U 21 tailor     b.Lancs Liverpool

 1861
Middle Friars Stafford St Paul
John Hodgkins head mar 36 Printer Compositor b. Stafford
Lucy     do       wife   mar                    b.Kings Bromley
Arthur Williams lodger 60 ale and porter Agent b.Leicester Melton Mowbray
Elizabeth           wife  61                                 b.Kings Bromley
Maria                 daur 20              b.Staffs Kings Bromley


it is tempting to think they are the same but coincidences unfortunately do happen.I will leave it with you

[Mansl]

Ok thankyou both will take it all in when Ive eaten and the phone stops ringing.Will also look at the Bap.Billy

[Mansl]

Hi All
       They are all of the same family going by the IGI index.I see the first Robert and William who was a twin died.Just puzzles me why Arthur in 1841,John Thirkett in 1851 and back to Arthur in 1861.I think the witnesses on the marriage of Joseph and Eliza Mary in 1859 are Maria Williams her sister and Arthur Williams cant be her brother because he died in 1835 .Her father is named as Arthur so must be him.Billy