Census Look up Phyllis Jones Abercairne

[williamscdr]

I would be grateful for some research into my Grandnothers ancestry.  Her name was Phyllis Jones.  All I know is:

1933 - Married Heorge Herbert Williams in Bromley, Kent. at the age of 21.
In 1933 she lived at 12 Station Parade West Wickham.
Her father is recorded as Spencer Jones Tin Worker.
I am told she was born in Abercairne c. 1911/12 and had 13 brothers / sisters
Her ancestry is thought to be part Welsh and Irish.

Any help would be much appreciated.

David

[welshjo]

Who were the witnesses at the wedding - any chance that one was a sibling

[williamscdr]

The marriaged was witnessed by relatives from my Grandfather's side.  By word of mouth I believe some of her siblings were:

Queenie, May, Spencer, Jack ....

I'm not sure of the veracity of these names so didn't mention them in the first post.

David

[Arranroots]

Hi David

Do you mean Abercarne?  I can't find an Abercairne

"ABERCARNE, a town in the parish of Mynyddyslwyn, lower division of Wentlooge hundred, in the county of Monmouth, 7 miles N.W. of Newport. It is situated on the river Ebwy and on the Crumlin canal. The Abercarne station on the Western Valleys' railway, is at the confluence of the Gwydden with the Ebwy, near Abergwydden."

There is a marriage of an Alfred Spencer JONES to a Sarah SULLIVAN in 1900 - does that sound at all likely?

Too many Phyllises to shake a stick at...!!

kind regards, Arranroots 

[AMBLY]

For Aber-Carn
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/parishes.html#A
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Mynyddyslwyn/index.html

Could this be her family - any bells? 

1891: Aberystruth , Bedwelty, Monmouthshire
Ref: RG12 /  4353 / 10 /  pg  14;
Address: 8 Globe Pit Row (a 2-share house)
Head: Michael LEE 40, wid, Millright in Forge, b Tredegar, Mon
Son: William LEE 19, unm, Coal Miner, b Tredegar, Mon
Son: John LEE 13, b Blaina,  Mon
Dau: Margaret LEE 10, Blaina,  Mon
and
Head: Spencer JONES  24, Tinworker, b Pontypool
Wife: Mary Ann JONES 24, b Blaina,  Mon
Dau: Margaret Ann JONES 1, b Blaina,  Mon

MARRIAGE:
June Qtr 1889 - Spencer JONES and possible bride on same page: Mary Anne LEE - Bedwelty RD

1901: Blaina, Aberystruth , Bedwelty, Monmouthshire
Ref: RG13 / P  4933 / F 179 / pg 48
Address: Shop Row, Nr 14
Head: Spencer JONES 34, Labourer (below) , b Pomtypool
Wife: Mary Ann JONES 32, b Blaina,  Mon
Dau: Margaret A JONES 11,  b Blaina,  Mon
Dau: Rachel JONES 8, b Blaina,  Mon
Son: Spencer JONES 5, b Iaff Will, Glam.
Son: William JONES 3, b Whitchurch, Glam
Dau: Esther JONES 1, b Blaine, Mon
Boarder: William LEIGH 30, unm, Blast furnace labourer. b Blaina. Mon

Cheers
AMBLY

[Elleray Girl]

You beat me to it Ambly!!

Dec Qtr 1911 - Phyliis Jones mother Lee NewportM (which includes Abercarn), Vol 11a Page 615

Karen

[williamscdr]

Brilliant - so I wonder where the Irish connection is.  Any chance of following the mother and father lines back though the census'?

I am very grateful

David

[williamscdr]

Am I being thick.

If Phyllis Jones' mother was surname Lee - does that mean she was born out of wedlock and or that Lee was the maiden name?

Phyllis was born c. 1912 and from the previous postings her mother is probably Mary Ann Jones, with the additional information that she is iving in the same house as a Lee familly in 1891, we might infer that these are her relatives / siblings.

Or am I off piste?

[Arranroots]

No, You are right David.

Indexing of births after September quarter 1912** included the mother's maiden name, but Phyllis was born a JONES.

It does look as though the LEE family is related, but buying the marriage cert would give you the father's name and occupation, which should confirm it.

Well done, guys!

 

** I might have that wrong, judging from the post above - maybe it was Sep 1911?