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Wrake family - John Wrake links to Henry Tritton Reakes
« on: Monday 15 October 07 11:52 BST (UK) »
Hello,
I have been trying to trace the ancestry of an oil painting which was in the possession of my family.

The back of the picture had a faded label which my mother had transcribed as:-
Henry Tritton Reaks. Born Jan-13 1790. This likeness taken Nov-18-11.

With the help of this site I have found the same picture in a website for the Reakes family, however the information and the picture were provided by a John Wrake in 2000, who I have been unable to contact.
I wonder if there is anyone who may have information about the Wrake family and who may possibly be able to help discover why my family owned the oil painting and why they always said the Henry was an ancestor?
I was always told that the person in the painting was an ancestor and possibly linked to my mothers family of Hills who were involved with Hunting.
Other family names are Hill and Matson.
My grandmothers name was Lucy Harriet Hills (nee Hill) 1871-1965, whose parents were John (aka) William Hill, 1837 to abt 1923 and Julia Hill 1849-1925. The family lived in the village of Castor near Peterborough and worked on the estate of Earl Fitzwilliam at Milton Hall near Peterborough or Wentworth, his estate in Yorkshire. My grandmother had a brother named George Thomas Hills.
Earlier I have Richard Hills 1791-1868/Harriet Peckham 1806-1879 and George Hill 1826-1905/Lucy Wilkinson 1826-1897.
William Hill abt1800-1862/Sarah Sophia 1797-1874.
I see that Stephen Barttrum Tritton was buried on 15 Jul 1851 in Waldershare, Kent and that Alfred Tritton was buried there in 1853. Stephen Barttrum Tritton was married to Miriam Hills in 1848 and I'm wondering if there is a connection via the Waldershare Estate?
I've been unable to find anything later about Miriam but have a possible entry in the 1841 census where she is aged abt 15 and her father could be a George Hills, a gamekeeper at Wooton, Kent. However that link doesn't seem to tie in and I don't have a Miriam Hills in any of my family records.
My great-great grandfather, John Hills, went from Milton to be Huntsman to the East Kent Foxhounds at Waldershare Park, (The Earl of Guilford was the Master of the Hunt and was killed while hunting). The 1881 census shows John, aged 44, at 2, The Kennels, Waldershare near Eastry, Kent. After this, in about 1882, John became Huntsman to the Badsworth Hunt Near Pontefract in Yorkshire.  About 1888 he left and went into business as a Licensed Victuler in Dover where he had the ?Duke of York? and ?Old Endevour? Public Houses.
The 1891 census show John as Licensed Victuler of ?The Guildhall Vaults?, 2, Bench Street, Dover (destroyed by shellfire in WW2).
It was after running this pub that he went back to being a Huntsman and joined the East Kent Hunt at Waldershare Park. He then went to the West Kent Hunt living at the kennels in Elham. He was also for a while with the Thanet Harriers at Monkton kennels.
The 1901 census shows John as a Groom at Redcliffe Stable, Westgate-on-Sea (aged 64).
John died aged 86 abt 1923 and is buried with his wife Julia, who died aged 76 in December 1925, at Waldershare Park.
If anyone has any information I would very much appreciate hearing from them. It would be great to solve the mystery of the painting!

MATSON-East Kent.  HURST- Oxfordshire.

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Re: Wrake family - John Wrake links to Henry Tritton Reakes
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 November 07 02:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi doverrog

Is this him - seems the right place (Kent) and social status warranting a portrait (the academy)

http://shrinkalink.com/19428
Obituary 1853
At her Son in Laws, David McDOUGALL Esq, Clydesdale Park, Edinburgh age 67
Amelia Sophia, relict of Henry Tritton REAKS, formerley of Ramsgate

This would make AmleliaSophia born about 1786 - and her spouse deceased before 1853.

http://shrinkalink.com/19429
Thanet's Private Schools 19th and Early 20th Century
High Street - Ramsgate
Henry Tritton REAKS Academy (1823)
Henry REAKS Academy (High STreet) (1826)

He is also listed on this site, circa 1828, a subscriber to either magazine, or a School of Thought -  of a diet/regimen
http://shrinkalink.com/19430

Marriage: Kent
Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837
Volume 35  - fol 1  - 1812
Hy Tritton Reaks of St Jas Dover bach & Amelia Sophia Loop of St Mart Cant sp, at St Mart. 10 Oct 1812.

IGI has issue of Henry Tritton REAKS and Amelia Sophia:
Selina Anne  b 28 Feb  1814 , chr 25 APR 1814 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
Frederick Pyott b 20 Nov 1815, chr 11 JAN 1816 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
William Henry b 2 Aug 1817,  chr abt 15 SEP 1817 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
Alfred Meffen - Chr  1819 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
Emma 1820 (died 1821) Kent
Henry Tritton chr 3 Jul 1822 Deal, Kent (died 1823)
Clara Sophia chr 22 Sep 1824 Saint Laurence (Thanet), Kent

IGI:
Marriage: David McDOUGALL married Selina Anne REAKS
2 Sep  1849   Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian

David & Selina I can see in Scotland Census 1851 thru 1881, can't see they ever had children though.  Details if you want them!

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: Wrake family - John Wrake links to Henry Tritton Reakes
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 November 07 02:46 GMT (UK) »


Hi doverrog !

I wonder if the John Wrake mentioned on this site ( #90 ) as an author ... maybe the one you are looking for !! there is an email address for the publisher ... possibly an email to them might bring some results !

http://www.faversham.org/pages/directory_item.aspx?i_PageID=11895

Also the Wrake family tree is here .... done by John Wrake !!

http://welander.co.uk/

And here's the Hill family !!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/swelander/sets/72157601706504379/

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 November 07 12:47 GMT (UK) »
Many, many thanks to you both - Ambly and Annie. You've certainly come up trumps with some leads for me. I shall follow everything up and let you know the outcome.
At the moment I'm still looking to find the link to my ancestors Hills or Matson and why they owned the portrait of Henry and what his connection was to the family.
I wonder why and how Henry came to move all the way from Kent to Scotland?
MATSON-East Kent.  HURST- Oxfordshire.


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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 November 07 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi doverrog

Is this him - seems the right place (Kent) and social status warranting a portrait (the academy)

http://shrinkalink.com/19428
Obituary 1853
At her Son in Laws, David McDOUGALL Esq, Clydesdale Park, Edinburgh age 67
Amelia Sophia, relict of Henry Tritton REAKS, formerley of Ramsgate

This would make AmleliaSophia born about 1786 - and her spouse deceased before 1853.

http://shrinkalink.com/19429
Thanet's Private Schools 19th and Early 20th Century
High Street - Ramsgate
Henry Tritton REAKS Academy (1823)
Henry REAKS Academy (High STreet) (1826)

He is also listed on this site, circa 1828, a subscriber to either magazine, or a School of Thought -  of a diet/regimen
http://shrinkalink.com/19430

Marriage: Kent
Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837
Volume 35  - fol 1  - 1812
Hy Tritton Reaks of St Jas Dover bach & Amelia Sophia Loop of St Mart Cant sp, at St Mart. 10 Oct 1812.

IGI has issue of Henry Tritton REAKS and Amelia Sophia:
Selina Anne  b 28 Feb  1814 , chr 25 APR 1814 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
Frederick Pyott b 20 Nov 1815, chr 11 JAN 1816 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
William Henry b 2 Aug 1817,  chr abt 15 SEP 1817 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
Alfred Meffen - Chr  1819 Zion Chapel Last Lane-Countess Of Huntingdon, Dover, Kent
Emma 1820 (died 1821) Kent
Henry Tritton chr 3 Jul 1822 Deal, Kent (died 1823)
Clara Sophia chr 22 Sep 1824 Saint Laurence (Thanet), Kent

IGI:
Marriage: David McDOUGALL married Selina Anne REAKS
2 Sep  1849   Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian

David & Selina I can see in Scotland Census 1851 thru 1881, can't see they ever had children though.  Details if you want them!

Cheers
AMBLY

Hello Ambly.
I've worked through your info and yes please I would love to have the census entries for David and Selina.
I'm still struggling though as I can't find any records for Henry Tritton Reaks or his wife Amelia Sophia during the period 1833 to 1853 (the above obituary). I have found that Henry was in Ramsgate High Street running 'Grove House School' at No.13 and he was there until 1833 when the building was pulled down and rebuilt.
However I can find no entries after 1833. Do you know if there are any BMD records for Scotland or other records which may help?
MATSON-East Kent.  HURST- Oxfordshire.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 November 07 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Doverrog

On one hand,  Scottish BMD certificates contain much much more information than the English ones! On the other hand, Scottish Civil Registration did not begin until 1855, so prior to that you have only the OPR's (Old Parish Records) baptisms, burials etc..

On one foot, you have online "instant" access to Scotlands People from where (for a fee) you can download images of Certificates after 1855 and OPR's pre 1855, and WIlls/Admons up to 1901 too.  On the other foot, SP does not have any death/burial records online pre-1855.

Have a good browse of Scotlands People (SP) to see what is on offer.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Registration is free, at which stage you can at least login and search the indexes to try pinpoint what you are looking for. SP is great value for money if you are finding what you want, and can easily obtain the documents but it can quickly turn into an expensive excercise (especially with Census records).  Smart searching of indexes prior to payment is highly recommended.  Rootschat has a lot of helpful info on Scottish genealogy - generally, and county by county.

To the McDOUGALLS:

1851: Galashiels, Selkirkshire
Ref: Parish 775, ED 1, pg 19
Address: High Street Old Town No 13
Head: George McDOUGALL 37, Surgeon Edin University, b Blackburn, Lesmahagow?
Wife: Christina McDOUGALL 36, In Practice?, b Galashiels, Selkirk
Son: John A McDOUGALL 6, b Galashiels, Selkirk
Son: Alexander McDOUGALL 4, b Galashiels, Selkirk
Son: George J McDOUGALL 2, b Galashiels, Selkirk
Dau: Mary A McDOUGALL 2 months, b Galashiels, Selkirk
Mother-In-Law: Mary AIMERS 80, Millwright & Farmer's Wid , b Yarrow, Selkirk
Brother: David McDOUGALL 26, Banker, b Borthwick, Midlothian
Brother's Wife: Selina McDOUGALL 32, b D----? (Dover?) ---?, Kent

Servant: Isabella DALGLIESH 22, House Servant. b Blackbeck, Dumfriesshire
Servant: Mina KAY 20, House Servant, b Heavtre, Midlothian
Servant: Robert LAIDLAW 17, House & Groom, b Fermtay, --------??

1861: Campbelltown, Argyllshire
Ref: Parish: 507, ED 10, pg 16
Address: Kirk Street
Head: David McDOUGALL 35, Banker, b Borthwick, Midlothian
Wife: Selina McDOUGALL 36, b Dover, Kent
Servant: Janet COHILTIER? 23, Servant, b Currie,  Midlothian

1871: Campbelltown, Argyllshire
Ref: Parish: 507, ED 5, Pg 20
Address: Longrow
Head: David McDOUGALL 45, Clydesdale Bank Agent Sheriff Sub & J P, b Borthwick, Midlothian
Wife: Selina McDOUGALL 47, b Dover, Kent
Nephew: David PAULIN 23, Accountant In Bank, b Irvine, Ayrshire
Servant: Flora McNEILL 35, Domestic Servt Cook, b Campletown Arygll
Servant: Janet McSPORRAN 19, Domestic Servt Maid, b Crubisdale??, Argyll
[Note: the nephew's  parents were George PAULIN (PAULINE) and Ann McDOUGALL married Borthwick Edinburgh 1839 (IGI) - so he is from David's side, not Selina's]

1881:Campbelltown, Argyllshire
Ref: Parish: 507, ED 15, pg 5
Address: 21 Longrow Street
Head: David McDOUGALL 55, Honorary Sheriff Substitute & Justice Of The Peace For Argyllshire - Banker , b Borthwick, Midlothian
Wife: Selina McDOUGALL 60, b Dover Kent
Servant: Flora McNEILL 45, Domestic Servant,  b Campbeltown-Gaelic, Argyll
Servant: Janet McSPORRAN 30, Domestic Servant, b Killean Gaelic, Argyll

SP shows (per free index search):
Selina Ann McDOUGALL - other name REAKS -  died 1884 in Campbelltown, Arygyll.
Her age is registered as 70 (= YOB abt 1814)

David McDOUGALL - died 1889 in Campbelltown, Arygyll.
His age is registered as 63 (= YOB abt 1826)
 
SP shows (per free index search):
David left a Will:
David MacDougall - 25/02/1889 - Agent, Clydesdale Bank, Campbeltown, d. 27/01/1889 at Campbeltown, testate - Dunoon Sheriff Court - Ref SC51/32/37

Whilst you would need to check the originals on SP, it would seem David's age is consistent thru the Census, but Selina probably being a bit (!)  'coy' about hers and adjusted it down by 5 to 10 years!! Only at death is the true age revealed - probably by her widower who for all those Census never said a word!

Their burial
Found a link via  the Resources listings on the Argyll boards in Rootschat:
http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/kilkerrannewgraves.htm

It has:-
Kilkerran, New, Graveyard, Campbeltown, Kintyre Peninsula, Argyll, Scotland
Image Nr 72, File Nr 2
McDOUGALL David d.1889 age 64 yrs
REAKS Selina Ann d.1884

Looks like Selina got the last word  ;D her age may not be recorded on the headstone if the index entry is anything to go by! Also note, as is the Scottish custom Selina is marked by her maiden name - the exact wording of the headstone may or may not make it clear they were espoused.

You can email the website owner and ask him for a copy of the hreadstone image - what a wonderful service they are providing and such a lot a lot of work must have gon into it! It looks like they provide an image for free.

Cheers
AMBLY
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 November 07 22:55 GMT (UK) »


Ambly !

That's wonderful ! .... boy Doverrog is lucky !!

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 November 07 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi again!
(I keep nipping in and out - I'm supposed to be gardening on this GLORIOIUS spring day  ;D)

I can't find hide nor hair of Amelia Sophia  or Selina Ann in 1841 nor Amelia in 1851, anywhere Scotland or England or Wales !!  ???  I just keep wondering - don't know why - if they had moved to the continent - France - ?

No mentions of Henry Tritton REAKS in FREEMD - he may have died between 1833 and Sep 1837, but then I can't find any mention of a will in the Kent records that are online either.....

cheers
AMBLY



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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 03 November 07 10:20 GMT (UK) »
Aha!!!

The IGI has two entries for the marriage of Selina Ann REAKS to David McDOUGALL...

the first one, (as above)
Selina Anne REAKS, daughter of Henry Tritton REAKS
married: David McDOUGALL
on 2 Sep 1849 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

The other one:
Selina Ann REAKS, daughter of Henry Tritton REAKS
married: David McDOUGALL, son of Alexander McDOUGALL
on 11 Sep 1849 at Capel St Scots Presbyterian-173, Dublin, Dublin, Ireland

Both are Extracted records. Now I would be guessing, that these are records of Banns - read out in both parishes of the Bride & Groom. And perhaps the REAKS' did go abroad after all  ;D but to Ireland?

Cheers
AMBLY
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