Author Topic: **COMPLETED** Lewes Prison in 1861  (Read 8064 times)

Offline lizdb

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,307
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you VERY much for looking.

(We weren't such a goody goody family as your findings suggest - George Edmunds commited suicide whilst in Lewes gaol awaiting trial for larceny (havent got date to hand) but the newspaper report stated he had been a 'regular' there!)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Chris in 1066Land

  • Deceased † Rest In Peace
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 6,523
  • "Forever Searching, Forever Learning"
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 17:49 GMT (UK) »
Lizdb

Dont know wether you are reading it the correct way - the records showed only one criminal - Old Harriot; the rest of the Emonds were all victims of crimes, so it looks better than most families of that day

Chris in 1066
One of Rootschats Founder Members RIP 1942-2021
Living at the Heart of English History in 1066Land. 
www.Rootschat.com/history/hastings

Swarbrooke Family Heritage
https://swarbrooke.co.uk

Own Ancestral Website:    http://maythornemill.webs.com                                          
Monumental Sculptures Website:    http://Tombstones.webs.com

 Local History Site: http://zouch.webs.com
Baldslow Local History site
http://web.archive.org/web/20140626153455/http://www

Offline lizdb

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,307
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Yep - I read it as such!
Hence it implied we were a bit of a goody goody lot - never in the wrong!!!! (ratio 1 criminal to 7 victims)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Chris in 1066Land

  • Deceased † Rest In Peace
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 6,523
  • "Forever Searching, Forever Learning"
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 18:00 GMT (UK) »
lizdb

Yep, I have re-read your answer - sorry, brain and eyes were not working together.

Chris
One of Rootschats Founder Members RIP 1942-2021
Living at the Heart of English History in 1066Land. 
www.Rootschat.com/history/hastings

Swarbrooke Family Heritage
https://swarbrooke.co.uk

Own Ancestral Website:    http://maythornemill.webs.com                                          
Monumental Sculptures Website:    http://Tombstones.webs.com

 Local History Site: http://zouch.webs.com
Baldslow Local History site
http://web.archive.org/web/20140626153455/http://www


Offline kizmiaz

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,489
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 19:43 BST (UK) »
My, how time flies. Nearly two years have passed since I posted this!

Eliza's life of crime completely slipped my mind, so I never got to visit Lewes to find out what a master criminal she was.

Well, thanks to Ancestry's new Criminal records database, I have finally found that she was sentenced to 4 months for "feloniously forging a request for goods" (no idea what it means, but I'm assuming some sort of Poor Law handout that she tried to fiddle). I can imagine she was trying to get extra food to feed her starving children, rather than as some sort of female Delboy Trotter
 
I now have a date of her conviction (18 March 1861), so a peruse of the local newspapers for that time is definitely a good place to start. More time in front of a microfilm machine is called for, and therefore more headache tablets are on the shopping list!

And just to think, if she had done the crime just a month or so later, it would never have been known by anyone living today. But she was in prison on census night, not at home with her poor little ones.

Glen

Offline Paula42

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 86
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 20:02 BST (UK) »
Hi

I too had meant to research the records and never got round to it. So after your post today I thought I would have a quick look for my relative on ancestry and there he was, convicted the same day as yours for 'unlawfully obtaining goods by false pretences'. Sentence 6 weeks. I am glad you posted again because it may have been a while before I got around to looking at that part of the family again.

Paula
Burgess; Burchett; Piper; Tedham; Anscombe; Wilmshurst; in Sussex
Greening; Merret; Hanman; Heaven; Knight; in Gloucestershire
Parsons; Hill; Angell; Sage; Watts; Lovell; Hurford; Evered; Bull; in Somerset
Hunt; Mintrim; Hampshire
Warth/Worth; Germany, London, Hampshire
Tyler; London, Buckinghamshire

Offline kizmiaz

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,489
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 20:22 BST (UK) »
Glad to be of service Paula, and spooky that they were convicted on the same day. Going by your surname interests, and the charge and penalty, 9 cases separated them both if I'm not mistaken, so its possible that both our ancestors had a chat outside the court while they waited. Small world, isn't it!

I guess it was more a conveyor-belt justice system in those days, waiting for the judge to make his rounds and all the criminal cases would be heard in quick succession. Not fun to be banged up, but without such little snippets into the daily lives of our ancestors it would be a much less interesting hobby.

Glen


Offline Jane Masri

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,275
  • My back garden
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 16:17 BST (UK) »
It's good to know that the newly launched Criminal Registers are reaping rewards already.  I was one of the many who helped transcribe them and what an interesting task it was too  :)
I'm currently engaged on transcribing the Andrews Newspaper cuttings and what a treasure-trove of information that's going to be for family historians!

jane
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Researching BRABY/BRAVERY in SURREY and SUSSEX

PLEASE use the look-up requests page not a personal message.

Offline Paula42

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 86
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: Lewes Prison in 1861
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 16:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane

I was just wondering if you could tell me what Andrews Newspapers cuttings is, is it local to Sussex or a national paper? I enjoy transcribing I help with the Somerset registers for Freereg, I wish someone had the same thing going for Sussex, I would certainly help.
Paula
Burgess; Burchett; Piper; Tedham; Anscombe; Wilmshurst; in Sussex
Greening; Merret; Hanman; Heaven; Knight; in Gloucestershire
Parsons; Hill; Angell; Sage; Watts; Lovell; Hurford; Evered; Bull; in Somerset
Hunt; Mintrim; Hampshire
Warth/Worth; Germany, London, Hampshire
Tyler; London, Buckinghamshire