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Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« on: Sunday 18 November 07 16:40 GMT (UK) »
Searching for information on the Robert Henderson married to Janet Orr family, their son James married Janet Moffat in Beith and their son James b1880 married Elizabeth Lauchlan Kerr. James married to Janet Moffat died 1906 a month prior to James & Elizabeths marriage in Dalry.  James & Janet lived in Kilbirnie.  I haven't been able to locate any information about James & Elizabeth after their marriage, they may have emigrated but I haven't found any trace of them. If anyone is related to any of james & Janet other children and researching, any help would be appreciated.  Thanks, Karen
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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 November 07 19:02 GMT (UK) »
hi pal,

1841 census- newton street, kilbirnie

robert...age 30...linen thread turner...born glasgow c1805
janet...age 25...born kilbirnie c1809
william...age 4
robert...age 3
ann...age 1
jean whiteford...age 11

just finishing off the rest of the census details, will post in a minute


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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 November 07 19:28 GMT (UK) »
hi pal,

1851 census- 20 newton street, kilbirnie

robert...age 48...gate keeper at thread mill
william...age 14...flax mill worker...born 22/4/1837
robert...age 13....flax mill worker...born 6/6/1838
ann...age 11...born 11/12/1839
john...age 9...born 29/11/1841
james...age 7
jean...age 21...daughter-in-law...mill worker
** (think this is the same person on the 1841 census...jean whiteford)

1851 census- 15 newton street, kilbirnie

janet orr...visitor...age 46 (home of robert mitchell)

1861 census- avilds...kilbirnie

robert...age 56...gate keeper
janet...age 53
robert...age 22...thread pinner
ann...age 21...weaver
john...age 19...thread pinner
james...age 17...apprentice shoe maker
janet kennedy...age 6
jean martin...age 25...mill worker

1871 census- newton street, kilbirnie

james...age 26...linen thread dyer
janet...age 20
robert...age 6
elizabeth...age 3
john...age 1

1871 census- avils, kilbirnie

robert...age 66...gate keeper
janet...age 62
robert...age 32...mill worker
janet...age 16...grand-daughter...millworker (same one as 1861!!!!)

1881 census- avils, kilbirnie

robert...age 71...gate keeper
janet...age 73

1881 census- dennyholm street, kilbirnie

james...age 37...linen thread dyer
janet...age 34
robert...age 15...flax mill worker
elizabeth...age 13
john...age 11
janet...age 9
david...age 7
catherine...age 5
james...age 7 months

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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 November 07 20:06 GMT (UK) »
hi pal,

follow up on james....

1891 census- oval place, kilbirnie

james...age 47...linen thread dyer
janet...age 44
elizabeth...age 23...net worker
janet...age 19...linen thread spooler
david...age 17...iron moulder
catherine...age 14...linen thread skeiner
james...age 10
ann...age 8
william...age 6
agnes...age 4
john...age 2


1901 census- avils, kilbirnie

james...age 58...factory overlooker
janet...age 53
janet...age 27...linen thread spooler
james...age 20...apprentice moulder
william...age 17...apprentice joiner
agnes...age 15...linen floss worker
john...age 12


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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 November 07 20:16 GMT (UK) »
hi pal,

william married agnes smith on the 7/10/1859

1861 census- bridge-end street, kilbirnie

william...age 23...flax spinner foreman
agnes...age 20...born sorn
robert...age 4 months...born 5/12/1860


1871 census- bridge street, kilbirnie

william...age 33...flax spinner
agnes...age 30
henrietta...age 9
janet...age 6
agnes...age 3...born 26/1/1868
james...age 1 (middle name smith)...born 5/3/1870


1881 census= townhead, kilbirnie

william...age 43...flax spinner
agnes...age 40
henrietta...age 19...weaver
janet...age 16...flax spinner
agnes...age 13...mill worker
james...age 11
elizabeth...age 8...born 27/4/1872
ann...age 4
william...age 2

1891 census- oval place, kilbirnie

william...age 54...flax spinner
agnes...age 50
agnes...age 23...cotton net weaver
james...age 21...apprentice grocer
elizabeth...age 18...cotton net weaver
ann...age 14...linen thread knotter
william...age 12
robert...age 9

1901 census- avils, kilbirnie

william...age 63...flax spinner foreman
agnes...age 60
ann...age 24
william...age 22...fishing rig mechanic
robert...age 19...house painter


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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 November 07 20:26 GMT (UK) »
hi pal,

robert married jessie ....? around 1873

1881 census- bank street, kilbirnie

robert...age 42...linen thread finisher
jessie...age 42...born cockpen, edinburgh
robert...age 7
janet o...age 3

1891 census- bridge-end street, kilbirnie

robert...age 52...linen thread finisher
jessie...age 52
robert...age 17...steam engine maker
janet...age 13


1901 census- bridge-end street. kilbirnie

robert...age 62...linen thread finisher
janet...age 23...house keeper


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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 February 08 07:21 GMT (UK) »
I have recently started searching the family tree and I stumbled upon your posting. I know exactly what became of the James Henderson who married Elizabeth Lachlan Kerr - he is (was) my grandfather!
Joekar has set out the information that I too had gleaned from the census records. I've also found a little further information from death and marriage records.
Following my particular lineage, this is the information I have gathered so far:
Robert Henderson was born in Glasgow in 1805 and died in Kilbirnie in 1888. His death certificate showed his parents as Robert Henderson (doctor of medecine) and Ann Hamilton. As yet I have found no records of these two - maybe Glasgow medical records of the day might shed some light. Robert junior (gets confusing when these guys switch between the names Robert and James each generation - and they all seem to marry Janets) married Janet Orr on 6/12/1836 in Kilbirnie.
Janet appears on the 1841 census as Robert's wife but she doesn't appear in the household in 1851 ( joekar has found a Janet Orr in a neighbouring household but, as she is not shown as Janet Henderson, I suspect this is a different person). My guess is that Janet died between the 1841 census and the birth of the youngest child, James, in 1844 but,as yet, I can find no record of her death ( difficult before official registration came into force in Scotland in 1854). It seems that Robert married again to another Janet (nee Taylor) between the 1851 and 1861 censuses. The Janet Kennady shown as a boarder in the 1861 census was probably her daughter from a previous marriage - she is shown as Janet Henderson in the 1871 census.
James Henderson was born in Kilbirnie in 1844 and died there in November 1906 from gastro enteritis leading to heart failure (actually, this was a month after his son James' wedding not a month before). He married Janet Moffat, born 1847 (father: David Moffat/ mother: Elizabeth Knox) in her home town of Beith on 29 Dec, 1865. Janet died of apoplexy in 1918 aged 70 at the family home (5 Avils Place, Kilbirnie). James was a Millworker all his working life, specifically a Linen Thread Dyer, although he was listed as an apprentice shoemaker at age 17. It is interesting to note that Janet's father was a master shoemaker - could be that he was young James' master and that's how he met Janet!
James and Janet were very productive, having 10 children (5 boys and 5 girls). Their names and ages are as listed by joekar from the 1891 census, plus there was the eldest, Robert, who was 26 then and had obviously left the household by then.
My interest is their son James, my grandfather, who was born at home in Dennyholm St, Kilbirnie on 29 August 1880. James was an Iron Moulder all his working life. He married Elizabeth Lauchlin Kerr ( born 25 March 1883, father: Robert Kerr, mother: Sarah Davidson) in her home town of Dalry on 26 Oct 1906. On 28 Dec 1907 Elizabeth gave birth to her first child, a boy James Davidson (these names become rather predictable after a while).
James and Elizabeth migrated to Sydney, Australia with young James around the 1912 mark (I still have to track down their travel details). They had two more children in Sydney, my father Robert Kerr Henderson (1914 - 2002) and Sarah Elizabeth Henderson (later Porter, 1918 - 1952).
Elizabeth died in childbirth in September, 1925. James remarried in 1928 to Lilian Mary Wilkins. James worked as a moulder at Clyde Industries in Sydney. He and Lilian lived in the Sydney suburbs of Granville and Newtown until his death in 1955.
Neither his son James nor his daughter Sarah (always known as Peggy) had any children. However, Robert (who married Irene Hartley in 1938) had two children, Robyn Irene Elizabeth (born 1942) and my good self Garry James (born 1945). Robyn had three boys and I had a boy and two girls, so the line continues - just.
KarieK, I hope this has been helpful. I would be interested in learning of your connection to the family and whether you have been able to come by any further information. I'd be happy to post any other relevant information I manage to acquire.
Garry H.

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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #7 on: Monday 18 February 08 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gary
I am overwhelmed to say the least to finally have the puzzle of Elizabeth & James sorted.  I have been searching for years for them, I found the obituary for Robert Kerr Henderson in the Melbourne paper and just knew that there was a connection and traced his marriage to your mother but could not get back any further or find any verifying details.
We are second cousins to be exact.  My grandfather was Thomas Kerr born 1879 to Robert Kerr and Sarah Davidson.  I have all the certs and dates but at this point I will only outline, as I mentioned I have been researching since 1988 and have amassed binders full of Kerr details.
I did know that James Sr. had died a month after the wedding but could not correct as I had posted it.  Elizabeth's sister Annie Davidson Kerr married to Hugh Guy died in 1910 and Hugh remarried and migrated to Flint, Michigan U.S.A. where he died in 1920.
My Father, Stewart Kerr, emigrated to Canada in 1947 on his way to N.Z. LOL where his mother's family emigrated to in 1913.
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Kerr/Lauchlan/Montgomery/Cook-Dalry, Ayrshire
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Re: Henderson/Orr/Moffat families
« Reply #8 on: Monday 18 February 08 14:44 GMT (UK) »
Hello again
I misspoke again in my excitement in your response.  I found your fathers obituary in the Sydney newpaper not Melbourne.  I checked my notes and I then went on my various search sites and there was all the Henderson family info in Aus staring me in the face but I could not connect it back without verification.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards, Karen
Kerr/Lauchlan/Montgomery/Cook-Dalry, Ayrshire
Stewart/Wylie/Small/Jack-Kilwinning, Ayrshire
Davidson/Urquhart/Lindsay-Dreghorn, Ayrshire
Henderson-Kilbirnie, Ayrshire