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Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger/Todmorden
« on: Wednesday 28 November 07 01:30 GMT (UK) »
I have several baptisms at Holme Chapel Cliviger in the 1820's where the abode appears to be High(er) Brierley, Briereley, Brierly or Bruerley. Can anyone help with where this might be please?

Margaret :)
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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 November 07 09:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Margaret,
If you go to

www.multimap.com

and type in Cliviger, it should take you to the right part of Lancs

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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 November 07 14:09 GMT (UK) »
I'd expect it to be the name of a single farm. Brierley is a common surname in the district, so it would likely be named after someone of that name.

It's not immediately visible on www.old-maps.co.uk (1848 map).

Unfortunately, farms have a habit of being renamed after a new owner has been in residence a few years.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 November 07 17:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I think one of the problems is that people came from far and wide to be baptised there.  So there is always the possibility that it is miles away, even over the border into Yorkshire and Todmorden way.  Do you have any of the family in the 1841 census?  If so where were they living.  It may help.

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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 December 07 01:13 GMT (UK) »
Tony: Thank you for the multimap site, it is very useful.  :)
 
Andrew: Yes it may be the name of a farm, this is a good lead - I have included some further information below, along these lines, which might be of help.  :)

Mo: You are correct this family moved around the general area quite a bit.  :)

I made this enquiry because I’m trying to find the names/births/baptisms for the children of Richard Clough and Grace Dex.

Richard was apparently born in c1802-1805. Grace was born 1803 in Hightown, Birstall Yorkshire.

Banns were published August 1823 in Holme Chapel Cliviger Burnley Lancs and they married September 1823 in Heptonstall, Yorkshire. He was from the Cliviger in Burnley parish and she from Stansfield in Heptonstall.

Apparently they had 4 children, 2 boys and 2 girls. I have found a baptism for their son William Clough in 1825 in Holme Chapel Cliviger, but have not been able to find births/baptisms/names for the other 3 children.

In the 1841 census, Grace was residing and working in a bobbin shop in Todmorden, Lancs with 2 children, William aged 15 and another child with an indecipherable name aged 10.

Richard worked for James Langfield who farmed 113 acres at Dean (Deyne) Farm near Portsmouth and James  was a witness to their marriage. All James & Ann Langfield's children were baptised at Holme Chapel and also show abode as Higher Brierley etc. They appear to be the only ones with this listed as their abode.

Does anyone know if the Dean Farm area was ever known as Higher Brierley etc?

Regards
Margaret  :)
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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 December 07 19:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Margaret,

Sorry, I have searched every old and new map and still can`t find any reference to High(er) Brierley etc. although Dean is marked.   One thought would be to contact the web owners of www.todmordenandwalsden.co.uk .  Their e-mail addresses are at the bottom of the home page of the site.  They may be able to help. 

Is it your Grace Clough that is buried at St. Paul`s, Cross Stone, Todmorden?  Shame the M.I. only states Grace Clough of Toad Carr.  I wonder if any of her chilldren are buried with her and if so a search of the burial records may be in order.  However, perhaps you have already done this.  The second son on the census would appear to be Pierson or perhaps just the enumerators stab at it.  All of them are Not born in County which suggests they were all born in Yorkshire given that Grace was.  Todmorden was still in Lancashire at the time - well at least for the census.  It`s a bit of a nightmare researching as its Border territory!!!

Good luck,

Regards,
Mo
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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 December 07 06:51 GMT (UK) »
Mo,  :)  Thank you for your time spent searching for a reference to Higher Brierley and for trying to track down Grace and the children. I agree, the Todmorden and Walsden site (which by the way is excellent) is probably the best place to go next so I will seek help from the web owners.

Grace remarried in 1845 at St Chad’s, Rochdale to Elsiha Schofield, so sadly, the one buried at St. Paul’s is not she. I have found her in 1851 and 1861 censuses but the children were not with her then.

I have not had much success finding William or ?Pierson on any of the censuses either, although I thought I had found William, married to Elizabeth Simpson, but when I ordered their marriage certificate it wasn’t he.

Thanks again Mo, I really appreciate it.

Best wishes,

Margaret  :)
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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger/Todmorden
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 August 09 03:19 BST (UK) »
I am still trying to find William Clough and/or his siblings. I have revived my post in a hope that someone may have some local knowlege of the area and has heard of the places mentioned in my previous posts or have any suggestions as to where to search next. I contacted the web owners of the Todmorden and Walsden site by email and did not receive a reply.

It  would be so wonderful to trace these children. This is a story that I wrote for a competition on another forum about how important Richard Clough and the family he left behind in Todmorden are to me.

.......In January 1996, long before I started researching my family history, my husband, young son and I visited my parents-in-law in the Newhey/ Littleborough area of Lancashire. We had a wonderful holiday; indeed, this was my first overseas journey from Australia. Even though the temperature was below zero at times and the whole landscape was covered in snow, I felt strangely at home.

We visited Todmorden, Hebden Bridge and the grave of Sylvia Plath Hughes in the churchyard at Heptonstall. I was fascinated by this place, spending considerable time exploring the old church ruin, paved with sombre gravestones. We even thought it would have been an interesting church to have been married.

Our plucky little hire car bore us eventually to Haworth where we braved the steep, frozen, cobblestone high street leading up to the Parsonage and a solitary, black raven. Here the Bronte sisters had once lived, overlooking the bleak, snow covered Haworth moors.

In 2007, I began researching the life of my great, great grandfather, Richard Clough, before his arrival in Australia in 1832. I discovered some incredible coincidences. Richard had married Grace Dex, at Heptonstall Church in 1823. In 1831 Richard, according to various documents, lived in the Todmorden area and was married with four small children when he was arrested for stealing a horse. Apparently, his own horse died, resulting in him no longer being able to carry on his business as a coal carrier. He became distressed at the prospect of being unable to feed his family and so he took another horse belonging to a neighbouring farmer.

I have a copy of a memorial and petition, (obtained from the National Archives) addressed to Viscount Melbourne and signed by 72 of the clergy, gentry, freeholders, merchants, tradesmen and inhabitants of Todmorden and its vicinity, including the owner of the horse, (who also wrote a separate memorial to the Home Secretary): all pleading for Royal Clemency, but unfortunately he was convicted of horse stealing before these documents reached the court. Thus, Richard Clough was transported to Australia.

The incumbent of the Cross Stone church in Todmorden (1829-1841), John Fennell, was also a signatory of the petition. He and Patrick Bronte were friends and former colleagues and in 1812, John Fennell had introduced Patrick to his niece, Maria Branwell and they married in December 1812. Their first home was Hightown, near Hartshead, Yorkshire where Patrick Bronte was curate (1810 – 1815). Coincidentally, Richard Clough’s wife, Grace Dex, was also born in Hightown, Hartshead in 1801. In 1820, Patrick Bronte became curate of Haworth. In 1829 the three Bronte sisters, then aged 9-13 years, visited their Uncle Fennell at the Cross Stone Church Todmorden.

I feel I have a special connection with my great, great grandfather, Richard Clough. People usually visit the homeland of their ancestors only after thorough research. Not so in Richard’s case! I had unknowingly walked the streets which he had frequented all those years ago and I had visited the home of the Brontes: the young nieces of Richard’s local vicar.

Richard was pardoned of his crime in 1847 in Australia. This was conditional of him never again returning to England. So, I returned for him – 165 years later.

Margaret  :)
 
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Re: Help with Holme Chapel Cliviger/Todmorden
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 14 April 12 15:38 BST (UK) »
Have you thought, going back to your original enquiry, that the "Brierley" may be more to do with either "Brierfield" or "Briercliffe" - and both are areas of Burnley ?Nelson, not far from Cliviger. Enquiries in that area might help.
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