KerryB's Scavenger Hunt Part 2 - Everyone welcome to join in

[kerryb]

Ok part 2

I'll do a recap in a bit!

Kerry

[kerryb]

Ok recap and summary

Still trying to find out whether we can eliminate one of these two possible William Henrys or are there any others:
Henry Baldwin - Shoreditch - Dec 1856 - 1c 123
William Henry Baldwin Sept 1853, East London

I presume at that time you couldn't get away with not registering a birth so he must be there somewhere 

The Turners:
You got quite a lot of information yesterday but still looking for:
Anne Turner born 1865
Did we pin down a marriage for Emily Eliza?
birth for Henry Turner born 1878, we have a possible death for him, he wasn't around for the 1891

Can I add into the melting pot a couple of James Edwin Turners brother's.  You are doing so well I wonder if you could find any census returns or deaths for
Richard Turner born 1827 St Botolph without Aldgate
George Turner born 1833 either Aldgate or Holborn

If we can trace them through the census it might help to clear up some of the Turners there are floating around because I bet they all have the same blooming names!!!

Kerry

[Lesanne]

  Just a saving post. 

Kerry, which families have links to Sussex 
Found a Sarah Buxton aged 75 in 1891 Hackney bp Chillington Sx.

Les 

     Back tonite...

[kerryb]

Hi Lesanne

The only link this family has with Sussex is Reuben Baldwin born 1895 who moved to Eastbourne.  Apart from that - none as far as I know 

Kerry

[toni*]

Kerry are you not wokring today? 

No we didn't pin down a marriage fro Emily Eliza but we did rule some out (well i posted the marriages and Deb ruled them out)


re London geography this site might help to clear up some confusing bits:~

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/LND/

[kerryb]

Toni

No today is my day off, yesterday I was using up lieu time 

What I need is a map of the London parishes to print out and stick on the wall but thanks for the link anyway. 

If I have got it right the Emily Eliza matches that are not eliminated are:
Turner Emily Eliza Pancras 1b 120 Q3 1888
Turner Emily Eliza West Ham 4a 267 Q4 1889
Turner Emily Eliza Cosford 4a 1227 Q4 1890

I think that is it 

Kerry

[Gadget]

I presume at that time you couldn't get away with not registering a birth so he must be there somewhere

Hi Kerry 

Oh yes you could. It wasn't made obligatory (and a punishable offence)  until 1874/75 and somewhere (I can't find it) there is an estimate of how many births were not registered. One line in my family didn't register any births but they had their children baptised.

Gadget

Added - here's a bit from FHO:

In theory all birth, marriage and deaths since June 1837 should be found in the indexes, however many errors and omissions have occurred mainly through non registration (particularly births prior to 1875), inaccurate registration, inaccurate copying and inaccurate indexing.

http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/general/civilreg.shtml

[kerryb]

Thanks for that Gadget

I was wondering whether maybe he wasn't registered, we keep finding possibles and then eliminating them 

I suppose finding a baptism might help!

Kerry

[toni*]

OK, here we go re looking for a birth:~

Until 1874 the district registrars were charged with collecting information about all the births within their jurisdiction. Thereafter responsibility for registration rested with the eh parents. If anecdotal evidence is to be believed, many births seem to have gone unregistered or were registered or indexed in such a way as to defeat us. In the early years of civil registration some parents elected either to have them baptised or to register the birth but not both, in the misguided belief that they had a choice. if you cannot locate a birth registration investigate the baptism registers serving the place where your family lived.

by law births should be registered within 42 days , with an extension of up to six months accompanied by a financial penalty. always search at least two quarterly indexes after the three-month period in which a birth took place prior to 1984 as not everyone registered their childrens births promptly

the late registration of a childs birth to parents who were later married to each other might record a false birth date to conceal his / her illegitimacy. a child born out of wedlock was usually registered under its mothers surname, though before 1875 there was nothing to prevent an informant naming or inventing a putative father for an illegitimate baby. Later only if the father agreed and was either present to register the birth or his written or sworn acknowledgment of paternity was prodcued to the registrar could his name be inserted as part of the entry. After the legitimacy act of 1926 if the childs parents subsequently married the child became legitimate and the child was frequently registered again under the married name.


OK points here the district registrar was charged with collecting the information - how reliable was the registrar in your district ?
by law births had to be registered within 42 days (as is the law now) to avoid the financial penalty some people changed the childs d.o.b slightly to fall inline with the 42 day period, who was to know?
not everyone regsitered the births promptly - were the siblings of WHB regsitred promptly ?
the late registration might conecal illegitimacy to parents who were later married - when did WHB parents get married? if it was around the time of his birth then he may be regsitered later than expected or under his mothers surname.

to carry on:~
reason why you might not find a birth, your existing info. might be wrong
don't ignore male & female births these appear at the end of each surname list. the chosen name was added to the registration entry later i.e the birth cert but not to the index.
parents might alter the childs name after baptism the officiating minister was obliged to inform the register general and although the registration was amended the index was not.
first names might be dropped or reversed names shortened into nicknames or new further names assumed.
occasionally childhood nicknames might stick with the person throughout their life and their real name be lost
births were registered in the district they took place this might not be local to the parents address

that concludes the lesson for today.
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re Emily Elizas marriage the marriages i gave were for those regsitered with Emily Eliza it was possible she could just be under Emily or Emily E
same with her death.