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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello, I am new and I see that this particular subject has not been touched on for some time.
I am wondering if we could have a connection here, but I do not have any proof yet!
My Grt grandfather many times removed was Henry Lock born c. 1777/78 Gloucester (or sometimes in the census down as Aberford also). He married a lady called Hannah Riley of Aberford in 1803. No family witnesses on the cert. We have always wondered where he really came from, as there are no prior records for Lock's in Aberford before 1803. They had about 10 children. I was helped with my research whilst up in Yorkshire and the records showed that Sarah and Henry Lock from South Cerney could have been Henry's parents? Not sure yet, as I have not actual proof.
However names follow in families and Henry did not come from Yorkshire before he married Hannah. They named their first child Sarah Lock born 1803,then Mary Lock born 1807, Henry 1809, George 1810, Mary 1811, Martha 1811,(twins, first Mary died), Anne 1814, Hannah 1817, John 1818 and Joseph 1824 all Aberford. Henry was down as a farmer and laborer. Henry died aged 92 yrs in 1869.
I am really stuck on this one.
The main characteristics which have passed down the Lock side that we have seen have been black hair, a Grecian nose, broad mouth and very large hands?!
Anyway, I could well be barking up the wrong tree, but worth a try!
Thanks anyway Paula Locke

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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 21 February 09 12:52 GMT (UK) »
Donald

If it will help, I can search the South Cerney PRs for Henry Lock's baptism, also, if available, the Ampney Crucis PR for Richard senior's, though going back that far the register would probably only give his father's name.

I'll be visiting the Gloucestershire Archives next week sometime.

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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 February 09 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gillg

That would be wonderful! Not sure what maybe found, but worth a shot :)

I am stuck on this end, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Paula
The Henry Lock you describe, sounds like he maybe one and the same Henry Lock son of Henry & Sarah. And having married a Riley seems to fit in to the profile too.

What really peaks my interest is the name George! I know one branch traces back to a George Lock, but had not been able to figure out who his parents were as of yet, so you may have just given me a good lead to follow up on. The name George was used fairly often in my early USA generations, in fact I am the descendant of 2 George Lock''s in my direct line.
The names John and Joseph were also used in the early generations of my tree also.

The name Henry was rarely used in my direct tree in the early generations.

 I hadn't looked at Yorkshire as of yet, so will take a look there and see what I can dig up.

Don

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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 February 09 09:59 GMT (UK) »
I should be a little more specific on this connection.

Matthew Lock
Christening: January 2nd, 1785
Biddulph, Stafford, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Sarah

This Matthew Lock son of Henry Lock & Sarah are presumed to likely be one and the same
Henry Lock & Sarah Peters of South Cerney.

The Matthew Lock christened 1785 in Biddulph, it is his male descendant that I am a 65/67 DNA match to, and both our lineages are in a rare Y Haplo Group H1a. This rare Y Haplo Group H1a appears to have originated in India.

No other Lock(e) lineages in England or the USA to date, are in this rare Y Haplo H1a, only Matthew Lock and Richard Lock lineages are in this rare H1a.
Of 61 Lock(e) men in England and the USA whom have DNA tested to date, only Matthew Lock and Richard Lock's lineages are in this rare H1a.

As more Romany Lock(e) branches get involved in DNA testing, we can be very certain they too will also be in this rare Y Haplo H1a.

Thanks to DNA testing, we now know 2 Lee branches and 1 Burton branch of England are also in this rare Y Haplo H1a, just like the Lock(e)'s.
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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 February 09 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Dear Gillg and Lockeroots,
Thank you so much for your replies.
Gillg, I do not want to take up your own search time, but if you do come up with any info that would be great. Thanks.
I have been in touch several times with the Borthwick Institute for Archives, York and they have been a great help. What's interesting for me is that Joseph, son of Henry and Hannah born 1824, Aberford seems to dissapear after the 1851 census, during which he is living with Henry lock born 1778, head 73 yrs, agr labourer, Martha Smith, daughter of Henry and Joseph lock born 1824 is son, Agr labourer. After that i have not been able to find him. As to George Lock born or christened 29th July 1810,Aberford, son of Henry and Hannah lock, well I have little or no info on him after this bit of info, no census records anyway. There is another George Lock from Aberford ,but not until some many yrs later. Could they both have emigrated?
Could i ask what links you have been able to make in the connection between henry and Richard lock? Also how do the Riley's fit in?
My line deffinitely carries the name Henry all the way through.
Can I say as a point of interest, that Henry Lock and Sarah named their children Mary, henry and correct me If I am wrong George. His son Henry born 1777/78 named his first child Sarah, then Mary and then Henry and George.
I have a whole lot more info from then on if you want it, but do not want to bore you now!!
Anyway thanks again and really look forward to hearing from you and hopefully to tie up a few loose ends your way too.

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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 February 09 15:47 GMT (UK) »
Sorry just to add that i have just noticed that Gillg was talking to lockeroots, sorry for the presumption!!
I am fascinated by the Romany connection, as I had no idea. I knew we had a few tales to tell in our family.
just to add, that there is a church in Aberford called St Ricarus and it has many graves of the Lock and Locke family there. Oh! and I have not been able to follow the search for john lock born 1818 either son of Henry and Hannah. he too seems to have disappeared or died. I am going to re-apply to the Borthwick institute for more info.

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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 February 09 16:20 GMT (UK) »
tweetypie  ;D

It's an open forum, and of course you'll get any information I can find in Glos Archives.

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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 February 09 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Typically having a settled family in this time frame would indicate this isn't a Romany Lock branch.
But with that said, what makes your Lock's so very interesting is the fact that Henry Lock married the Riley, and it appears Henry's daughters married Smith's.

So if we ignore the fact that they were settled and not traveling, just by looking at the surnames involved, at least suggests your Lock's could be Romany.

Henry Lock
Marriage date: June 19th, 1803
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
To: Hannah Riley

Sarah Lock
Christening: February 26th, 1804
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

Mary Lock
Christening: February 1st, 1807
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

Henry Lock
Birth date: May 25th, 1808
Christened: July 2nd, 1809
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

George Lock
Christening: July 29th, 1810
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

Mary Lock
Christening: September 23rd, 1811
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

Martha Lock
Christening: September 23rd, 1811
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

John Lock
Christening: August 10th, 1813
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

Anne Lock
Christening: November 6th, 1814
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

Hannah Lock
Christening: April 13th, 1817
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

John Lock
Christening: October 11th, 1818
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

Joseph Lock
Christening: April 16th, 1824
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
Parents: Henry Lock & Hannah

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Anne Lock
Marriage date: February 22nd, 1835
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
To: Thomas Smith

Martha Lock
Marriage date: December 31st, 1836
Aberford, Yorkshire, England
To: James Smith

I think the law of averages gives your Henry Lock a better then average chance to be a Rom considering the connections to the Riley's and Smith's. That doesn't prove they are Rom, just suggests they could be.
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Re: Lock's of Gloucester
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 February 09 18:14 GMT (UK) »
:)That's great thanks Gillg and Lockeroots.
Can i ask are Riley and smith typical Romany names then? I had no idea about the name lock being so  :)
What then happened to George, Joseph and John? Do you think they might have moved to the USA or Australia?
I don't want to put all Romanies in the same pot, but my lot did drink and fight!! Infact Henry lock born 1838 went to jail for a spell and we all think it was down to drinking and fighting!! Jack lock born later in the 1870's was in a travelling fair around the time of the first world war in the Woodhouse area of Leeds!
Do you think I should look else where for Henry lock snr parent's? Do you know anything of him? (Henry b.1777/78)
The thing is, unless I can prove the birth info for Henry snr, I am only presuming that he is related to your line. It's sssssooooooooo frustrating!!
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