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suicide, Aston Birmingham
« on: Tuesday 04 December 07 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Please can anyone help me find the death details of Sarah Oldfield.
She was born Sarah Browning in 1864 in Birmingham and married James Oldfield in 1882.

James left her for long periods without funds, sometiimes spending time in America and on the 1891 census she is listed as a widow, but this was not true as her husband was living a couple of miles away. ( I asume she had said she was a widow to claim parish assistance)

They had 4 children James 1884, Lily 1887, William 1890 and Alice 1892

The family  story is that at 17 years of age, Alice was called  to identify the body of her mother who had apparently thrown herself in the canal close to her home in Aston Birmingham, however I can find no record of her death.

Do coroners keep records and if so where would I be able to  find them?

Or does anyone have any other ideas on how I can find this information.

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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 18:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sharpie

If you can work out an approximate date for her death, you could search the local newspapers at Birmingham library for details of the death, and also for a report of the Coroner's Inquest  :)
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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 18:52 GMT (UK) »
I have "Coroners report" written on a death certificate of a great grand father in Birmingham so I e mailed the Record Office to see of they had a copy of the report. They were very kind and though they hadn't got a copy they looked in the local newspaper and sent me a copy of the newspaper report for a very modest fee. If you know the date give it a try you too may be lucky
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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 December 07 20:04 GMT (UK) »

Hi Oldtimer and trees

Thanks for the advice, but with only a rough date of 1909, I think I'm going to spend a lot of time trawling through newspapers.

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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 December 07 10:23 GMT (UK) »
hi sharpie

she is on the 1901 census with children james and alice
boarder st george parish birmingham

alice may oldfield registered 1st quarter 1893 birmingham
alice m oldfield married 3rd quarter 1919 aston warwickshire(to sprason)
would it say if the mother was deceased on marriage certificate ?
cannot see a death for sarah between 1901 and 1919 in birmingham/aston
in ancestry or free bmd

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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 December 07 23:49 GMT (UK) »
You might find this site interesting:
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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 March 08 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Sorry this is rather late BUT
Sarah Ann BROWN died aged 45 June Q Aston 6d/234

Might there have been a "slight error" in her name given the circs? Maiden name being used is understandable  but the ing dropped off might have been stress on the part of Informant? Right age! Or perhaps she had remarried?

If you gave all the details to Brum RO I'm sure they would be very helpful in determining whether it was the right cert.
You can seach by Forename and Aston on Free BMD
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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 March 08 10:51 GMT (UK) »
It's a shame I didn't see this question a couple of days ago. There was a rogue freebie available with access to 19th century newspapers and I'd have gladly looked up your family for you  :-\.

The thread was removed by rootschat. Free access to these newspapers is no longer available, but some rootschatters have managed to sign on and do have access.

Sharpie, it might be worth your while to ask if someone would be kind enough to look this event up for you in case it received some coverage.

You could include a link to this thread so you didn't have to type out your question again  ;D.

Good luck, and I hope someone can find some info for you. Here is the link to the other thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030j/

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Re: suicide, Aston Birmingham
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 March 08 11:01 GMT (UK) »
It's a shame I didn't see this question a couple of days ago. There was a rogue freebie available with access to 19th century newspapers and I'd have gladly looked up your family for you  :-\.

The thread was removed by rootschat. Free access to these newspapers is no longer available, but some rootschatters have managed to sign on and do have access.

Sharpie, it might be worth your while to ask if someone would be kind enough to look this event up for you in case it received some coverage.

You could include a link to this thread so you didn't have to type out your question again  ;D.

Good luck, and I hope someone can find some info for you. Here is the link to the other thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/030j/

Unfortunately the British Library Newspapers database only goes up to 1900, so would not cover a suicide in about 1909.

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