Hi Toni
Have given up working - (I'm at home so can do what I like
).
So this is what I'm looking for (it's a bit of a long story!) :
Now - there is a "legend" in the family that our Cliffords are somehow related to some "noble Cliffords" (if I can call them that!), but so far no-one has proved it and, personally, I always thought it unlikely. However, now I am back to my Gt x 4 Grandfather Charles Clifford (1761 -1842) and, reading his will, I see that he was VERY well off - and a "Gentleman". (I had another thread going about him). So I started wondering where all his money and property came from. An uncle of mine (now deceased) did some research and I have his papers - one of which ( a photocopy from a book) mentions a Mary Clifford marrying Nathaniel Clutterbuck in 1659 Eastington, Glos. Mary is the daugher of John Clifford of Frampton.
Now I get to the point (at last!) - when I read the name Clutterbuck, I had the feeling I had seen it somewhere before - so, after some hunting, I found it - at my Gt. Grandfather's wedding on the 30th March 1886, in Battersea, Surrey. The groom and his bride were : Herbert Arthur Clifford m Elizabeth Serena Brimfield. - Two of the witnesses were Thomas and Joseph Clutterbuck. A coincidence?? Is our link - if it exists - to the "noble" Cliffords, through the Clutterbucks? A second-cousin says he's heard the name "Bessie Clutterbuck" - but doesn't know where or why.......
So I 'd like to contact anyone who knows anything about the decendants of Nathaniel and Mary - or anything about a Thomas and Joseph Clutterbuck alive in 1886 (brothers or father and son??)
Or maybe a Clutterbuck out there has a marriage certificate with a Clifford as a witness, or a Godparent....... anything really that could help me prove - or disprove - my theory!
I should add that one of my Gt-Aunts apparently had some silver with the Clifford crest on (could have nicked it of course!).
Voilà - that is why I'm interested in the Clutterbucks - I could be barking up the wrong tree, but I thought it was worth giving it a go!
Many thanks for your help
tilly
ps - have changed the name of the thread.........
pps - have found a site dedicated the Clutterbuck family and have written to them. Had an answer from a John Clutterbuck from Canada, who was going to copy my mail to England, but haven't had any news yet..............
