Trying to find a lost soul

[Stangat]

Hi again all

I'm having an enforced rest, feeling rough but it has given me a chance to investigate another relative

I'm trying to find any info on John Hugill.

The info so far :-

1891 census where he is living with his wife (to be) Dinah and their son Alfred.They were boarding in Rock Street, Middlesborough. The ref was RG12/4008 F70 P30.

He married Dinah Collinson on 19/9/1895 in Beverley and his age was 33, a labourer and his father was Thomas, also a labourer.

1901 census shows Dinah as the Head but married living on her own means. John is not there.

From the census and marriage cert it shows he was born in 1862.

I'm having a huge problem though, in that, the census says born in Sherburn in Durham but the only one I can find has the wrong father. I tried Sherburn in Yorkshire but that one became a draper's asst and can be traced.

So this led to me finding a John Hugill b1857 in Sherburn in Yorkshire residing at His Majesty's pleasure in Hull Prison I can't find his birth or anything else so this may be him as it would explain why Dinah was the head.

Would anyone have any ideas please. Also, is it possible the inmate records would provide any info, if they still exist?

Thanks for any help,

Ian

[jinks]

What about the John Hugill born Sherborne Dorset?

You can find him in Hampshire on the 1881 Census?

Jinks
I have details if you require them

[Tati]

Hi Ian,

How about this boy in 1861?

RG9/3622 18 28 & 29
Sherburn, Yorkshire
Thomas Hugill, head, 38, Lab
Mary, wife, 38, b. Old Matton?
Rachel, dau, 13, b. Scarbro
Robert, son, 11, b. Sherburn
Elizabeth, dau, 10, b. do.
Mary, dau, 8, b. do.
George, son, 6, b. do.
Henry, son, 4, b. do.
Jane, dau, 2, b. do.
John, son, 4 mo, b. do.

 

Oops sorry - realising now this must be the one who became a draper  

Re-edit: How can you be so sure the one who becomes a draper assistant was the son of Thomas and Mary? I see the 1871 census shows 2 John Hugills born ca. 1862 at Sherburn, one the son of Thomas and Mary and another one, son of Robert and Mary? 

[Stangat]

Jinks

I've seen him but the 1881 census is the only place I can find any reference to him so I've sort of discounted him for now.

Tati

In short I can't but up until your post, I'd only ever found the entry with Thomas and Mary, which of course led me to believe it would be the draper's asst). It would appear logical the two families were probably related.

One way to prove the father of the draper would be to order his marriage cert as he married a girl from Hull.

All this of course, is assuming my John was born in Yorkshire and not in Durham. The only one born in the Sherburn, Durham area I can find has the wrong father.

If the 1861 entry is mine I suppose I'll have to hope he reappears in the 1911 back with Dinah to see his place of birth. Still the only 1901 entry it may tie up with is the prisoner, what do you think?

Thanks to both of you

Ian

[jinks]

I'll explain why I went for the one stationed in Hampshire


An explanation why John Hugill is not at home he is
that he is away at sea.

Jinks

[jinks]

Robert Hugill wife Mary and son John can be found in Lockton
Village in the 1871 Census.

In 1881 Robert is still in Lockton village but widowed with daughter
now Ann Dodds but sorry no John.

This is Sherburn nr Scarbough

[Tati]

Morning both 

I take it you are positive that Sherburn Durham exists at all, Ian? 

Are the marriage witnesses Hugills by any chance?

[Stangat]

Hi again 

Just managed a couple of minutes break.

Jinks, it is a possibility although I'm tending to think he was a labourer so would stay on land. Then again as you quite rightly say he could be at sea. For now I intend to keep all the info just in case.

Tati, unfortunately there is a Sherburn near Durham, in fact it is just the other side of the A1M now. As they were in Middlesborough in 1891 my thinking was he told the recorder "I was born in Sherburn" not knowing of the Durham one and the recorder presuming the Durham one as it was closer, but for now, who knows

I searched for John's birth in Durham and found a W. Hartlepool birth but this became a misleading dead end. The father turned out to be a William but the other red herring was that this John's middle name was Alfred. It seems to be quite a rare name and when my John had my G Grandad they called him Alfred which seemed a big co-incidence. I suppose it could be this one with the wrong name but I've discounted it but kept the info for now ?

As far as the witnesses are concerned, one was Dinah's relative, cousin, I think, and the other was a Maria Midgley of whom I know nothing.

Thanks again to you both

Ian

[bazmollon]

George Wass Hugill born in Bilsdale North Yorkshire died in Hallgarth Mill near Sherburn Village County Durham 1923 . His body was found caught up in the mill machinery .