Two Kirkwood Brick walls

[RoseCrystal]

HI I hope for some ideas about two problems I have within the family I am researching. One is James  KIRKWOOD born in Scotland circa 1806? He died in 1865.

The Kirkwood family lived in Chorlton upon medlock. I have James in 1841,1851, and 1861 Census he was a Weaver, my problem is I cannot find out who his Parents where because I have no Idea where in Scotland he was born! Does any one have any ideas or should this be the end of the line:(


I would love to find out what happened to John Gilbody Kirkwood the Grandson of the same family Born 1873 Chorlton, Hulme .
 
His Mother Mary died in 1875  and I believe the Father also called James Died in 1879 in Chorlton Workhouse .

I cannot find John Kirkwood  in any census!

He did Marry a Fanny Cowley in 1898 in Salford, in the 1901 Census she is living with her Parents I believe he served in the Boar War which would explain his absence in that census but not in the 1881, and 1891.

Any help would be appreciated, I can only use the Internet because of Ill health thank you. 

[Mr. MIGKY]

HAVE YOU TRIED LOOKING ON THE HISTORICAL DIRECTORY'S FOR THIS FAMIL? THE LINK BELOW I HAVE LEFT IT ON THE 1895 FOR MANCHESTER BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHERS FOR MANCHESTER AND SALFORD. I HAVE ACCESS TO AFEW DIRECTORY'S IF YOU GIME SOME DETAILS WILL LOOK ON THEM FOR YOU? I WOULD ALSO POST YOUR REQUEST ON THE ARMED FORCES BOARD TO FOR THE BOAR WAR PART? hAVE YOU LOOKED FOR ANY OF THE FAMILY ON THE CWGC SITE/ JUST INCASE ANY DIED IN WW1?
MIGKY

http://www.rootschat.com/links/02d9/

[liverpool annie]

Migky !

Try this

http://www.rootschat.com/links/

Stops you from banging your elbow on the wall !! 

[HOWMUCH]

Hello RoseCrystal

I don't know whether the following information may help you trace a place of birth and my apologies if it has nothing to do with your family .
On the unfilmed census of 1851 (HO 107 2220) for Ardwick there is a John KIRKWOOD aged 36 years
living at 1 Meridian Street , Ardwick together with his wife Isabella , also aged 36 years . Both are recorded as being born in Scotland , but no town is recorded .
However, John is shown as having the occupation of policeman .
It maybe just coincidence that he has the same name as the John KIRKWOOD you are looking for and the same country of birth you have mentioned .
I was wondering if you thought he might be related to your family as it is in the same area as Chorlton .
If you think that it may have possibilities I would suggest you E mail the curator at the Greater Manchester Police museum as it is most likely that he would have been a Manchester Policeman . I have had dealings with the museum and they are most helpful . They may have a town recorded for him on the date of his appointment .
Their E Mail address is police.museum@gmp.police.uk
I hope I have'nt sent you on a wild goose chase ! Good luck .
Eric

[Sisterjane]

Hi Crystalrose...this is confusing 

Is this the James and Mary who you think are Johns parents

1871-Hulme
RG10/3995/35/16
Devonshire St

KIRKWOOD

Alice 67 widow head b Manchester
Alice 35 dau Un b            "               District Nurse
James 26 son Mar b Manchester     Machine Fitter
Mary 33 Dau in Law b     "
Emma 1 Grandaughter b "

Living next door but one is a Joseph Gilbodey 26 b Manchester

Jane

[Sisterjane]

There is a marriage in 1869-Chorlton.
James Kirkwood
Other 3 on same page
Mary Harrison
Mary Ellen Ross
Mary Gilbody

Jane

[RoseCrystal]

HAVE YOU TRIED LOOKING ON THE HISTORICAL DIRECTORY'S FOR THIS FAMIL? THE LINK BELOW I HAVE LEFT IT ON THE 1895 FOR MANCHESTER BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHERS FOR MANCHESTER AND SALFORD. I HAVE ACCESS TO AFEW DIRECTORY'S IF YOU GIME SOME DETAILS WILL LOOK ON THEM FOR YOU? I WOULD ALSO POST YOUR REQUEST ON THE ARMED FORCES BOARD TO FOR THE BOAR WAR PART? hAVE YOU LOOKED FOR ANY OF THE FAMILY ON THE CWGC SITE/ JUST INCASE ANY DIED IN WW1?
MIGKY

HI there Migky
Thanks for the response I have looked briefly at the historical directories and have found earlier on it did not give any further info on James or John.
You never know, might find John when was a child,. I know John Kirkwood Survived the Boar war and he also served in the WW1 too. What is a puzzle is where he was in those
Years after his Parents died.
This is the family in 1841
HO107/580/4 Folio 22 Page 36

In 1861 John appears
RG9/2877 Folio 33 Page: 5

Thanks for any help
Best wishes Rose

[RoseCrystal]

Thank you for the information but sadly its not my Kirkwoods

Its James the Father I am after born circa 1806-9(where in Scotland he was born) and where his Grandson went John born 1873 he does not appear on any census so far
If I didn't put that in the post I am sorry, its very complicated

his is the family in the 1861 census
RG9/2877 Folio 33 Page 5
Thank you very much for your help
Best wishes Rose

Hello RoseCrystal

I don't know whether the following information may help you trace a place of birth and my apologies if it has nothing to do with your family .
On the unfilmed census of 1851 (HO 107 2220) for Ardwick there is a John KIRKWOOD aged 36 years
living at 1 Meridian Street , Ardwick together with his wife Isabella , also aged 36 years . Both are recorded as being born in Scotland , but no town is recorded .
However, John is shown as having the occupation of policeman .
It maybe just coincidence that he has the same name as the John KIRKWOOD you are looking for and the same country of birth you have mentioned .
I was wondering if you thought he might be related to your family as it is in the same area as Chorlton .
If you think that it may have possibilities I would suggest you E mail the curator at the Greater Manchester Police museum as it is most likely that he would have been a Manchester Policeman . I have had dealings with the museum and they are most helpful . They may have a town recorded for him on the date of his appointment .
Their E Mail address is police.museum@gmp.police.uk
I hope I have'nt sent you on a wild goose chase ! Good luck .
Eric

[RoseCrystal]

Hi Crystalrose...this is confusing 

Is this the James and Mary who you think are Johns parents

1871-Hulme
RG10/3995/35/16
Devonshire St

KIRKWOOD

Alice 67 widow head b Manchester
Alice 35 dau Un b            "               District Nurse
James 26 son Mar b Manchester     Machine Fitter
Mary 33 Dau in Law b     "
Emma 1 Grandaughter b "

Living next door but one is a Joseph Gilbodey 26 b Manchester

Jane

HI Jane

This family is confusing  and I have been struggling for a long time with them.
You have the correct family. James and Mary are Johns parents Emma his Sister but she died.
 I wondered if the Joseph Next door could be a brother to Mary as that is her
name before Marriage.
Sorry if I have not explained things fully its so confusing.
Thank you for your help its appreciated
Best wishes Rose