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1861 Her Majesty's Army - MILLER - COMPLETED
« on: Friday 08 February 08 01:29 GMT (UK) »
Looking for some help and suggestions on tracing a John Charles MILLER who in the 1861 Census states he is a 22yrs old, Naturalised British Subject serving as a Sergeant in Her Majesty's Army - states he is born in America
1871 Census - he is 32, Wine Merchant born US New York
1881 Census - he is 42, Principal Warder HM Prison, Hull, British Subject born Vienna Austria.
He married in Mar Q 1861 in Yorkshire - all Census details found in Yorkshire.
Would there be any records of his Army service or his Naturalisation?
Would he be involved in any conflicts around 1861-1871?
I've tried UK archives but have a lot of trouble navigating around the site.
It's possible his surname was MUELLER or something similar.

Any advice appreciated - thankyou,  Sashar
Researching:
Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire:  Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia:  Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth

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Re: 1861 Her Majesty's Army - MILLER
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 February 08 06:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sashar

The 1891 Census has him as born Germany too.  Possibly this return was filled out by the Warder of the Prison he worked at - and he (the Warder specified "Germany"?  (Their youngest child Ella  has the middle name Hustwick after her mother, John's wife maiden name). All those children they had, and all with middle names!

The 1901 has him as born Austria (foreign Subject).

So that's 3 for Germany/Austria - possibly Vienna - and 2 for America!  ;D

Was reading the other topic too....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,281981.0.html

I would certainley go for the marriage certificate to Mary... you have 3 or 4 possible clues to gain from it - some my pan out, some (or all!)  may not:

1 - his father's name and occupation
2 - the name of his regiment may be stated in his occupation column
3 - the names of the witness' - may be traceable and may lead to a connection to John pre-marriage
4 - the address where he married out of.

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: 1861 Her Majesty's Army - MILLER
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 February 08 06:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ambly,
The middle names have been a big help in sorting out a common Surname like Miller.   Good to have something on your side when doing Genealogy - not always easy.
Thanks for clarifying the information that's contained on the marriage certificate.   I'm a bit afraid he may not have known in 1861 where he was born but I guess it's worth a try even to get his father's name and occupation.

Really appreciate your input - regards,  Sashar
Researching:
Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire:  Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia:  Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth

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Re: 1861 Her Majesty's Army - MILLER
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 February 08 20:12 GMT (UK) »
Regarding finding his army records, if he had been in barracks it would have been an easy job to find a few officers in the census and search for them in the 1862 Army List and thus find the regiment. For men discharged in the regular army between 1855 and 1872, you need to know the regiment, as any papers that are held in Kew are filed in regimental order.

However, he is living at home. So he was either on leave, and those days leave (furlough) could be three months, so he could have travelled from almost anywhere. Or he was based at a local barracks, and his wife was not ‘on the strength’ ie they did not have married quarters in the barracks.

I have been through the 1862 Army List looking for a regiment stationed in Beverley. But I did not find one. I have checked a few of the census districts and there was a small barracks of East Yorkshire Militia - RG9/3568 Folio 12-13. These were part-timers, but there were usually a handful of experienced regulars on the ‘permanent staff’. So your John could be either a regular on leave; a regular (of an unknown regiment) attached to the EYM, or a member of the EYM.

I believe any militia records that survive are in class WO96 in Kew. But these are original records and you will have to visit Kew or employ a researcher to check in the at Yorkshire Militia.

If he was in the Militia, he was banned by law from serving abroad. If he was not described as an Army Pensioner in 1871, I would guess that he was a militiaman. If you do find his records it should clear up where he was born.

I cannot think of any wars in the 1860s. He could have joined the Militia from the age of 17 I believe, so even if he served from that age to just before the 1871 census, he would not have had enough service to qualify for a Long Service medal, which might have been another avenue to explore.

Ken


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Re: 1861 Her Majesty's Army - MILLER - COMPLETED
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 September 10 10:49 BST (UK) »
Looking for some help and suggestions on tracing a John Charles MILLER who in the 1861 Census states he is a 22yrs old, Naturalised British Subject serving as a Sergeant in Her Majesty's Army - states he is born in America
1871 Census - he is 32, Wine Merchant born US New York
1881 Census - he is 42, Principal Warder HM Prison, Hull, British Subject born Vienna Austria.
He married in Mar Q 1861 in Yorkshire - all Census details found in Yorkshire.
Would there be any records of his Army service or his Naturalisation?
Would he be involved in any conflicts around 1861-1871?
I've tried UK archives but have a lot of trouble navigating around the site.
It's possible his surname was MUELLER or something similar.

Any advice appreciated - thankyou,  Sashar
hi 
,,,,,,hi  sasha think  we  got a  connection
great great  grandad was  john  charles miller 
we need  to  talk

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Re: 1861 Her Majesty's Army - MILLER - COMPLETED
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 September 10 00:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Threar,
Thankyou for contacting me, would love to hear more.
If you can post 2 more times, your personal message will work and we can discuss further.
Hope to hear from you,
Sashar
Researching:
Ireland: Farrelly, Brady, Bourke/Burke & poss Smyth/Smith, Connor
Scotland: Paterson, MacGregor, Graham
Derbyshire:  Richardson, Bryer
Germany/Prussia:  Hein, Nuske, Milich, Baum
Australia: Farrelly, Paterson, Richardson, Hein, Milich, Smith/Smyth

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