BIRD Family

[janan]

Hi Cazzanne/Scott

Welcome to Roostchat Cazanne

I will post census details tomorrow - got to go to work. If you send me a PM with your email addresses I can send you what little I have on further back Birds. They are closely linked with my Carvers - a lot of intermarrying between the two families going on! Including I am 99% sure (need to double check) John Bird father of Violet marrying Martha Carver sister to my G Grandad Robert Carver. So we have a double link.

Jan

[cazzanne]

Hi Jan  Thanks for replying.  I will look forward to any info you have.  It certainly looks as if here is a positive link here.

There seemed to be lots of intermarrying in the rural areas.  I have found that with my dads family (the Kent link) and they thought we were without morals lol.

Cazanne (Carol)

[janan]

Hi Scott/Cazanne

First off the 1901 entry giving John's full name of John Henry confirms that he married Martha Carver, but she is not my gg aunt as I first thought but the daughter of James Carver and Sophia Breed. James is most likely the son of John Carver (my gggg grandfather) and his second wife Martha Mitchel though not proven as there is no baptism for James. However whoever his father is he will be related to my Wrestlingworth Carvers, so do both send me a personal message with your email address and I will send extra info on both families. Now for the censuses (I will miss out 1881 as you can search for this free).

1901
Bridge St (back of) Biggleswade
John Henry Bird Head M 50 Market gardeners labourer Beds Wrestlingworth
Martha do Wife 49 Cockayne Hatley
Isabella do Daur S 28 General Servant Domestic Wrestlingworth
Violet W do Daur S 22 Cockayne Hatley
Sidney Jas do Son 18 Grocers Errand boy do do
Lillian S do daur 11 Cockayne Hatley
John E do Son 6 do do
RG13/1499/5 Pg2

Jan

[janan]

1891
Cottage, Cockayne Hatley
John Bird Head M 40 Gardener Wrstlingworth
Martha do Wife 39 Cockayne Hatley
Elizabeth M Daur 14 do do
Violet W do 12 do do
Sidney J do Son 8 do do
Lillian S do Daur 1 do do
RG12/1254/18 Pg2

Jan

[janan]

1871
Wrestlingworth
John Bird Head M 21 Ag Lab Wrestlingworth
Martha do Wife 20 Cockayne Hatley
Godfrey A do Son 10 mo Dunton
Rg10/1549/54 Pg6

Jan

[janan]

John Bird birth Biggleswade district Mar qtr 1851

1851
Wrestlingworth
John Bird Head M 53 Farm Labourer
Elizabeth do Wife 51
Isabella do Daur 18
John do Son 3m
All born Wrestlingworth
HO107/1753/265 Pg27

Isabella Bird married Biggleswade district Sep qtr 1851 John Jakins on same page

1861
Percival Cottage Tadlow Cambs
John Jeakings Head M 35 Labourer
Isabella do Wife 27
John do Son 10 Labourer
Thomas do do 6
All born Wrestlingworth
RG9/1017/98 Pg7


And for good measure
1841
Wrestlingworth
John Bird 40 Ag Lab
Betsy do 40
Emma do 15
Thomas do 12
Isabella do 8
James do 3m
and lodging with them
Thomas Carver 20 Ag Lab
Lydia do 20
Sarah do 1
HO107/2/26/12 Pg18

Thomas and his wife Lydia(nee Bird) are cousins - Lydia is Isabella's sister and Thomas is son of George Carver (brother of my ggg grandfather Young) and Mary Bird sister of Isabella's father John. Still following
To make matters more interesting John Bird senior married Elzabeth Brede who may well be the aunt of Sophia Breed who married James Carver (parents of Martha).

A couple of threads that might be of interest

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,229051.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,248529.0.html

Enough for the time being I think

Jan
Thomas

[janan]

Just one more thing

1861
Cockayne Hatley
James Carver Head M 53 Ag Lab Wrestlingworth
Sophia do Wife 49 Southill
Jabez do Son Un 25 Ag Lab Wrestlingworth
Maria do Daur 12 Cockayne Hatley
Martha do do 9 do do
RG9/995/76 Pg1

Next door is widowed Sophia Bartle nee Bird sister to Isabella

Now I'm done
Jan

[cazzanne]

Hi Jan

Thank you for all that information.  It does get complicated sometimes doesn't it. 

I will plough through it all.
Would there be a foreign influence here as Sophia, Jabez and Maria would appear to be Spanish or thereabouts.

Cazzanne

[janan]

Hi Carol

I haven't any foreign influence, but you never know. According to my Oxford book of Names Jabez is biblical and both Maria and Sophia were popular in England from 18th century.

Hope you can make sense of these very intertwined families.

Jan

One thing that is intriguing me is where the Williamson in Violet's name comes from - it would usually be a maiden-name of mother, grandmother or whatever.