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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 18:55 GMT (UK) »
The design sounds Victorian, not Georgian.

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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 01:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi peoples, I've had a good search on the Google and checked out all the Hallmarking I can find on this subject, still need your assistance please.

The original owner of the brooch died in 1874.  Her son took it with him to Tasmania where his daughter ended up with it, and she was born in 1892 and never wore it as the pin was broken.

The lion is facing left, he is a very solid looking beast;

the q is looking like the 1814 one with the "curly" look small letter;

the anchor has a very pronounced cross-bar on it - not unlike the Assay Office one;

no monarchs head is on the piece.

there is on the opposite side to the hallmarking what looks like letters in a rectangular stamp:-

S? (B/R) R 0   - brackets are either B or R.  The stamping is tiny so even if I could - a photo wouldnt show them - 4 charactes.

The first part of the stamp is hard to decipher....which really makes it easy eh?
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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 04:04 GMT (UK) »
This is my third try to attach a photo of the brooch in question.

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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 04:29 GMT (UK) »
Any chance of attaching picture showing  other side of brooch  Barb so that we can see the hallmarks........ ???

Thank you.


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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 05:49 GMT (UK) »
Trying for reverse.

the anchor is on left with top pointing left,
centre is the letter 'p' with a slight flare on the base. ie 1814 
 on right is the lion

on the topside is a rectangular stamp very hard to read even with magnification.

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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 06:22 GMT (UK) »
OOPS  lets try that again.
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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 08:13 GMT (UK) »
By its design alone, the brooch looks much later than Georgian, possibly even Edwardian  :-\  This could explain the lack of a sovereign's head. 
Don't forget  minnie, that the shapes surrounding the letters and symbols are also important...

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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 09:21 GMT (UK) »
If we ignore the absence of the sovereign's head then there are three possible years for the hallmark.

1814, 1890 and 1915.

The shape of the shield or punch is most significant factor which can sort these out.

1814 is a shield with a flat top but if the lion is facing left rather than its head being turned to face the observer this could be eliminated.
1890 is a square with the corners cut off.
1915 is an upside down shield with the wiggly edge at the bottom and a flat top. 

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Re: Hallmarks on silver
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 10:50 GMT (UK) »
The design is very much 1880s/90s with the beading around the edge so 1890 looks about the perfect date.
 
It's definitely not Georgian.

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