1861/1871 census lookup for the Smallman family, Upton Bishop, Herefordshire

[WHS1899]

In 1881 at Old Vicarage, Kempley, Glos the Smallman family consisted of:

James Smallman age 45 b Upton Bishop, Herefordshire, so b c1836
Ann wife age 44 b Whitminster, Glos, so b c1837
John.G.Drinkwater grandson age 8 b Kempley, Glos
Elizabeth Smallman age 70 Mum b Upton Bishop.

I think James MAY have been married to an Ellen at some stage althogh not 100% certain.

I DO know he had a son, George Smallman b c1857 Upton bishop, Herefordshire. I have details on who he married and his children etc.

What I'd like is to find out who was the mum of John.G.Drinkwater....if he was James Smallman's grandson then James must have had a daughter who married a Mr Drinkwater.

Can anyone find James and family in the 1861/1871 census to see if he had any more children other than George.

It would be great to be able to solve this one!
Beverley

[Ecneps]

Hi Beverley

1861 RG9/1761 Folio  63  Page  10
Old Saysells, Kempley, Gloucestershire
James SMALLMAN      head m 25 Ag. Lab  Herefordshire Upton Bishop
Ann          "                wife  m  26     "   wife  Gloucestershire Whitminster
Eliza DRINKWATER     wifes dau 6   "    dau          "    Stoke Oreham
Elizabeth SMALLMAN mother wid 50 "  mother Herefordshire Upton Bishop

Barbara

[suzard]

For some reason it looks like james is Samuel in 1871???

and Eliza is using "Smallan  name

1871
Kempley Glos
Samuel Smallman Head M 35 farm lab Upton Bishop Hereford
Ann wife Glos Farm Servant Witminster Glos
Eliza daughter 17 Farm Servant Stoke orchard Glos
Elizabeth mother W 61 Upton Bridge Hereford
Richard Innes Boarder U 19 Hilcote Newent Glos
RG10 2609 24 3

Suz

[Ecneps]

Looks as if he is down as Samuel in 1871, unless she married brothers 

RG10/2609  Folio  24  Page  3
The Row, Kempley, Glos
SMALLMAN
Samuel  head    m 35 Farm Labourer  Upton Bishop
Ann        wife     m 35 Farm Servant    Witminster
Eliza       dau      unm 17    "         "          Stoke Orchard
Elizabeth mother  "    61                       Upton Bishop

Barbara
oops, snap Suz

[Ecneps]

No Samuel in 1841.....

HO107/42/21 Folio  24 Page  4
Crow Hill, Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
John Smallman  30 Shoe M.
Elizabeth  "       25
James       "        9
Mary         "        7

Barbara

[Ecneps]

If you are sure James had a son George, then you may not have the right family in 1881, as James doesn't seem to have other children.

Could this be your George in 1881?
 RG11/2584  Folio 67  Page 24 
Crowhill, Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
SMALLMAN
John     Head     Mar   71  Shoemaker Master    Upton Bishop
Ann    Wife    Mar   61           "         Wife    Little Marcle Dewchurch
George    Grand Son S 24    Solicitors Manageing Clerk    Upton Bishop

1881, parents James and Ellen: at RG11/2602  Folio  104  Page  9

and 1871
RG10/2722 fol. p.20
Broxwood Green, Pembridge, Herefordshire
SMALLMAN
James   head m 38  Shoemaker   Ross
Ellen     wife  m  40 Shoemakers wife  St. Margaret
George  son      14  Scholar         Crowhill
Arthur     "         12         "               "
Henry      "         10        "              Yatton
Mary Ann dau      8        "              Crowhill
William    son      6         "             Sarnsefield
Charles     "        5         "                  "
Thomas     "        3         "                  "
Christopher "      1         "              Pembridge

 
Do you have George's birth cert from 1857 to be sure of his parents' names?

Barbara

[Ecneps]

1861 RG9/1812 Folio  76  Page  18
Colborough Park Lodge, Upton Bishop
SMALLMAN
James   head m  30 Gamekeeper  Ross
Ellen     wife  m   28      "    wife    St. Margaret
Arthur   son     (edited) 2               Upton Bishop
Henry     "           9mo                      "         "

1861 RG9/1812 fol.78 p.22
Crow Hill, Upton Bishop
SMALLMAN
John    head  m  52  Boot & Shoe Maker  Upton Bishop
Elizabeth wife m 49 Dressmaker              Ross
George    son       4                                  Upton Bishop
(possibly grandson?)                             

[suzard]

 Barbara, In 1861 -isn't son Arthur 2 not 12 -there is a mark on image before the 2 , but I don't think it relates to age??

What do you think???

Suz

[Ecneps]

sorry, typo, thanks Suz, will edit 

what do you think about this family?  seems more likely to me....