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Re: This could be delicate!
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 21:39 BST (UK) »
 8) Well done....Karen had contacted me, but I had to run off and when I got back I see that you'd found what you needed...
For the next time you look for institutions, I have that url and those I have found so far from the listing on the resource thread url below...
If anyone finds more, let me know so I can add them to the list...I am adding this page right now...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,284296.0.html

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Re: This could be delicate!
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 30 April 08 23:00 BST (UK) »
Incredible!  You're a wonderful bunch.  If I do find anything out, do I just add it to this link or start a new one?  -I'm still learning you see! 
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Re: What's happened to Winifred?...Merged topics, some duplication
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 01 May 08 04:42 BST (UK) »
I'd just add it to this link...It's not as though we have hundreds of people helping on the board, although the numbers are increasing, but as you can see your 2 topics were found and merged anyway, and what happens then is that the date the posting came in is where it sits...so there is no point putting several threads on the same topics as it just gets frustrating when resources are repeated...
   Does that make sense?  You'll see as you go...

You can revive an old topic anytime by just adding a reply...we'll be here!  J.J.
 
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Re: What's happened to Winifred?...Merged topics, some duplication
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 01 May 08 08:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you.  I'll try and remember that.  Regards.
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Re: What's happened to Winifred?...Merged topics, some duplication
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 01 May 08 17:06 BST (UK) »
Here is the 1911 census, ( for Winnifred) as you'll see from the original image the situation was as per your original thought...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=34317

The image says clearly"worker" not warden, but I can see why they had trouble with her first name transcription...
as "Thennie ?" Clark. Capital W's don't have a flourish on their bottom left...
But all the person would have had to have done was to look up and see it was a census of the
"City of Thinnipeg"  ;D  J.J.
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Re: What's happened to Winifred?...Merged topics, some duplication
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 01 May 08 19:09 BST (UK) »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thinnipeg !   
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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Re: What's happened to Winifred?...Merged topics, some duplication
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 01 May 08 20:58 BST (UK) »
Thinnipeg made me smile too!  I have wondered about Winifred's mental state of mind.  Her mother went on to have another son, Wilfred or Wilfrid, about 1912 and I have a picture of him with his parents when they are old and he looks as if he has a problem of some sort.  (Don't know what happened to him either, but that could be another story!) Her other son, Reginald, born 1900, seems to have been ok as he fought with the CEP in WW1.

We have autism in the family on my husband's side and wondered if it could have been something like that.  Will certainly let you know what else I find out.  Thank you for the interest.  Regards.
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Re: What's happened to Winifred?...Merged topics, some duplication
« Reply #34 on: Friday 02 May 08 17:14 BST (UK) »
I am so grateful for all the help I have received so far in tracing Winifred. The story continues..........I emailed a chap who is researching the history of this institution and he has entitled it  'The Home of the Friendless: A child saving institution gone wrong'! To be honest, that is putting it mildly.  He sent me his findings thus far and they make gruesome, gruesome reading.  It was run by a madly religious zealot of a woman who specialised in picking up the homeless; 'fallen' women; single mothers; and children whose parents needed a brief respite to sort themselves out etc.  I could go on...and on..and....on.  The home in Winnipeg closed in 1929 (there were several dotted about apparently) and he tells of elderly people from just a few years ago who would wake screaming in terror because of the time they spent in this institution.

I emailed the photo I have just received of Winifred and he was able to identify the place straight away and thought that because she was wearing white, she probably worked either in the kitchen or the nursery.

I will have to wait and see if he can give me any clue as to what happened to her after 1929.  I am willing to search but I understand that it is quite difficult to access fairly recent Canadian records.  I am trying to sort the story out in my head so may I share my queries with you?

1) Why did her mother, Adelaide Delma Clark (listed as 'married') travel to Canada from England in 1906 with just Winnie?
2) Why didn't her husband George Alfred Clark and their son Reginald Sydney go with her?
3) Why, in 1908 did Reginald travel out with a party from an orphanage aged only 8 years?
4) I have discovered Adelaide remarried to a William Hodgins in 1910 and is listed on the Canadian census 1911 with him and with Reginald so when and why did Winnie end up in this terrible place?
5) Adelaide and William Hodgins had a son - Wilfred/Wilfrid born c1912 but I can't find his birth or anything else on him, yet I know he lived long enough to be with his parents into their old age. What happened to him?
6)Reginald Sydney is shown as having served in the CEF but then he too
seems to have disappeared, so where did he end up?

I will try and attach the photo of Winifred - I wondered why she was so small and discovered that most of the inmates were - it was due to malnutrition!
Poor, poor people.  Poor little Winifred.

Have tried to attach the photo with no success.  I'm no computer wizard so Help needed please!


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Re: What's happened to Winifred?...Merged topics, some duplication
« Reply #35 on: Friday 02 May 08 17:21 BST (UK) »

6)Reginald Sydney is shown as having served in the CEF but then he too
seems to have disappeared, so where did he end up?




You should order his full military file.  There may be clues in there.  I know one of the military files I have has correspondence up to the 1930's in it.

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!