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Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« on: Thursday 15 May 08 21:16 BST (UK) »
Just received the marriage certificate for William Brunt and Sarah Riddle, married 17th Jan 1858.

It says Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton, Potter.

Until today, I always believed her father was James Riddle.

Can anyone explain?

Many thanks
COLLINS - St Pancras, Kentish Town
LANGLEY - Kentish Town, Camden, Islington, Barnet
MCDONALD - St Pancras, London
CARTER - Kentish Town
HOWARD - Pimlico, Kentish Town, Surrey, Sussex
PROUDLEY - Kent, Sussex
TAYLOR - Devon
GREEN - Somerset
BARRELL - St Pancras, London
ANDERSON - Pimlico, Kentish Town
BROWN - Fenton, Staffs
BRUNT - Fenton/Longton Staffs

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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 May 08 21:58 BST (UK) »
Hi

The simple explanation would be that Sarah was born out of wedlock but Thomas Middleton acknowledged the child as his but wouldnt or couldnt take them on then maybe Sarahs mother  married James Riddle and they just brought her up with the name Riddle which they were perfectly entitled to do.

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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 May 08 22:46 BST (UK) »
It does seem strange this..

If I have the right family here in 1851..HO107/2007/409/19 it says that Elizth Riddle 39 Head Un.

If James had died she would be a widow unless of course the werent married in the first place and nor does it seem that any of the children are listed on the IGI,  ???

I cant see a suitable death for James between 1841 and 1851..

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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 May 08 23:22 BST (UK) »
I agree.  I had her father as James Riddle born in 1812 and her mother as Elizabeth Riddle born in 1816.  I also had that she had an elder brother William and elder sister Harriet.

I just don't understand.
COLLINS - St Pancras, Kentish Town
LANGLEY - Kentish Town, Camden, Islington, Barnet
MCDONALD - St Pancras, London
CARTER - Kentish Town
HOWARD - Pimlico, Kentish Town, Surrey, Sussex
PROUDLEY - Kent, Sussex
TAYLOR - Devon
GREEN - Somerset
BARRELL - St Pancras, London
ANDERSON - Pimlico, Kentish Town
BROWN - Fenton, Staffs
BRUNT - Fenton/Longton Staffs


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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 May 08 23:28 BST (UK) »
I also can't find a Thomas Middleton on any 1841 or 1851 census that mentions a Sarah which is also strange.
COLLINS - St Pancras, Kentish Town
LANGLEY - Kentish Town, Camden, Islington, Barnet
MCDONALD - St Pancras, London
CARTER - Kentish Town
HOWARD - Pimlico, Kentish Town, Surrey, Sussex
PROUDLEY - Kent, Sussex
TAYLOR - Devon
GREEN - Somerset
BARRELL - St Pancras, London
ANDERSON - Pimlico, Kentish Town
BROWN - Fenton, Staffs
BRUNT - Fenton/Longton Staffs

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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 May 08 23:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Tigsy

Do you have access to the cencus ?

1851 Cencus HO107/2007/103/21...this James Riddle has a Jane Middleton living with them?...more digging me thinks  ;D ;D
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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 May 08 00:22 BST (UK) »
Now just to confuse matters further  ;D

I notice on IGI there is a marriage in 1830-Stafford for a James Riddle and Elizabeth Light...now I dont know if you have seen this but on the 1851 cencus in Longton where your Sarah is living with her mother Elizth just two doors down the page is another Sarah Riddle 18 b Kidderminster-Worcester and she is a servant in the household of a Philip Wight..now Im thinking that knowing how wrong some entries can be on IGI i wonder if Elizabeth Light could really be Elizabeth Wight  ??? ???

Are you still with me!!!!!!!

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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 May 08 00:49 BST (UK) »
Not sure at all now about the Wight/Light thing as Ive found them now in Huddersfield of all places as Wright in 1861 and Sarah Riddle is still with them,

It was worth thinking about anyway!!

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Re: Sarah Riddles father was Thomas Middleton - doesn't make sense!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 May 08 11:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you, can you find a reference for Sarahs birth certificate - if I ordered that then that may confirm the details.

Looking at the 1851 census, I agree with you about 2 Sarah Riddles, but 'my' Sarah was living with her mother Elizabeth and brothers and sisters.  What is interesting about that census is that it states Elizabeth as the head of the household and as unmarried.

The 1841 census, has her living with James Riddle.

Ordering her birth certificate would confirm things further.
COLLINS - St Pancras, Kentish Town
LANGLEY - Kentish Town, Camden, Islington, Barnet
MCDONALD - St Pancras, London
CARTER - Kentish Town
HOWARD - Pimlico, Kentish Town, Surrey, Sussex
PROUDLEY - Kent, Sussex
TAYLOR - Devon
GREEN - Somerset
BARRELL - St Pancras, London
ANDERSON - Pimlico, Kentish Town
BROWN - Fenton, Staffs
BRUNT - Fenton/Longton Staffs