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HM Prison Lewes
« on: Sunday 08 June 08 13:35 BST (UK) »
Good morning/afternoon/evening.

Am looking to find out why an ancestor (William George Collingwood) was listed as a prisoner at HM Prison Lewes in th 1901 census. His occupation was listed as "solicitor" at the time. I have all the other details of his life -birth, marriage etc, but just looking to fill in a blank spot in his lifetime. What crime did he commit and for how long he graced HM Prison Lewes.

Mike (Australia)

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« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 June 08 10:49 BST (UK) »
I would contace East Sussex record Office.

They do have some survivng records from Lewes Prison, though they are searchable by date, not name. You may be lucky as you have a date that he was in jail.
They are not on line, and I see you are not 'local' (!) but I dont know if they do any sort of search service or not.
Well worth contacting them.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: HM Prison Lewes
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 June 08 17:00 BST (UK) »
from the Gale 19th Century British Library newspapers database:

Northern Echo (Darlington, England), Saturday, September 22, 1900; Issue 9530.
A DISHONEST SOLICITOR
William George Collingwood, up to recently chief assistant solicitor to Sheffield Corporation, was yesterday at Sheffield committed to trial charged with forging a cheque for £6500, forging signatories to a deed of conveyance, and stealing four sums of money entrusted to him to pay stamp duties. The alleged frauds were not discovered until Collingwood left the service of the Corporation early in August, and he was subsequently arrested on Derby Racecourse.

The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, December 8, 1900; Issue 19558.
SEVEN YEARS FOR A SOLICITOR
William George Collingwood (33), late assistant-solicitor to the Corporation of Sheffield, was indicted for emzelling £55 7s 8d, for forging and endorsement for £6500, and for stealing a sum of £20 7s 8d, the defalcations extending from May 25 1898 until May of the present year. Prisoner pleaded guilty. Mr Scott Fox, QC, and Mr Ellison were for the prosecution, and Mr Mellor for the defence.

Mr Scott Fox said that the prisoner, in his capacity of Assistant-Solicitor to the Sheffield Corporation, was intrusted with cheques drawn by the City Accountant from time to time for public purposes. Under these circumstances, he obtained a cheque for £6500. In April, 1899 ,prisoner exchanged this for a draft made payable to Mr A. Kay, who was the person entitled to the sum, at the proper time. Prisoner forged Kay's endorsement, and recieved the whole of the £6500, which he had appropriated to his own uses. Some of the notes had been traced, many of them to racecourses.

On prisoner's behalf, Mr Mellor pleaded eloquently. He said Collingwood was still a young man, possessed of considerable ability and with friends who would give him another start in life, in another country, when he came out of prison. His wife and three little children were left penniless, and his own name would be removed from the roll. Prisoner had been coveyancing clerk to the Town Clerk of Cardiff from 1890 to 1893, and in that year receieved and appointment in the Town Clerk's office at Plymouth. Here he got into financial trouble, and afterwards went into practice at Bristol, and then he came to Sheffield, where he got a salary of £400 per annum.

His Lordship said it was his duty to protect public bodies like the Sheffield Corporation from the dishonesty of their own trusted servants, and prisoner would be sent to penal servitude for seven years.
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Re: HM Prison Lewes
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 June 08 18:01 BST (UK) »
The A2A site has many East Sussex record office references online and they have a website so are easy to contact.  Just google it and it comes up with all the information about it.
Poor wife and kids!
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 June 08 20:53 BST (UK) »
Interesting stuff Jorose - you do come up with some gems of information!

But why would a criminal from Sheffield be imprisoned in Sussex? Or is the Lewes prison Langco refers to in hid first post NOT the Sussex one at all? Is there another Lewes prison in the country. Now I am going to get googling!!

modified to add - nothing obvious found elsewhere.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: HM Prison Lewes
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 04:53 BST (UK) »
Jorose,

Thank you so much for your post.
William was certainly the black sheep of the family - his brother Alfred was awarded a CBE for services to the community and paid for the schooling of William's children

Mike

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Re: HM Prison Lewes
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 05:33 BST (UK) »


Can I ask a question Mike ? ... what happened to him when he came out of prison ?  ... did he go on to live a productive life ? ... how did his family hold up ? and his wife ... did she wait for him ? or do you know ??

Sorry ! ......  thats more than one question isn't it ?? it's just that it's the stories that hold our imagination with our families and we always seem to have a affiliation for the naughty ones !!

Of course I'm stepping over boundaries and time frames - you don't really have to answer ... it's just that it's a fascinating story !!

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Re: HM Prison Lewes
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 12:30 BST (UK) »
OK, next silly question from an Aussie.

Prior to his term in prison WG was a volunteer in the Welsh Regiment.

Family records/beliefs have him as a retired Army officer in and around 1920/1924.

Question - would his term as a guest of His/Her Majesty prevent him from continuing his military service? And how easy was it to move from a volunteer to an enlisted gentlemean at that time?

Thanks,

Mike

P.S. Watch out for Warnie next year - seems we have decided we may need him back to retain the Ashes once again.

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 15:57 BST (UK) »
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/AdvancedSearch.aspx?geotype=London
 - has some mentions of William George Collingwood in the 1880s.  i.e. he became Lieutenant of the 3rd Monmouthshire (rifle volunteers) in 1884.

Hmm... there also was another WG, Colonel William George Collingwood, who died in 1916:
http://rcnarchive.rcn.org.uk/data/VOLUME057-1916/page524-volume57-30thdecember1916.pdf
(This fellow was aged 60, though - his death is on freebmd - so probably not yours although he might be a relative?)

Which family records/beliefs say he was a retired army officer, and do they mention any other information like rank etc? I'm just wondering if he was said by the family to be away "with the army" during those seven years.

Do you know when he died?
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