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Offline Paula42

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Mintrim possible suicide
« on: Tuesday 01 July 08 17:01 BST (UK) »
Hi

I have someone in the tree called Charles James Mintrim born in 1881 Southampton and dying in 1926 Southampton. The family story goes that he committed suicide after threatening to take his family with him. However on his death certificate it says cerebral hemorrhage and does not mention suicide, but looking further into this I have discovered that this sort of death can be caused by traumatic brain injury.

So what I was wondering is it possible that this will have been reported in the local newspaper of the time or was it a taboo subject. If so what was the local newspaper, was it the Southampton Echo or something different?

Can you view the newspapers at Southampton record Office or Southampton library or would I need to go to Hampshire Record Office. I shall be travelling that way in the next month so if I knew where to go to look at the newspapers at the time, either for a small report or an obituary it would be a great help.

Thanks

Paula
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Re: Mintrim possible suicide
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 July 08 21:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Paula,

I can't answer your query but I think if you e-mail the Southampton City Archives, they will be able to advise you.

city.archives@southampton.gov.uk

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Re: Mintrim possible suicide
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 July 08 23:13 BST (UK) »
If there was any doubt that the death was in anyway unnatural it would trigger an inquest to look into the cause of the death. The death certificate would indicate that an inquest had taken place and it would be the Coroner who would register the death and the agreed cause of death from the inquest, which could find the person died from natural causes.
If the Coroner doubted the cause of death he might request a post mortem which if the findings were the person died of natural causes would not then trigger an inquest. Again the Coroner would register the death and the causes as stated in the 'pm'. A sudden unexplained death would be most likely to trigger a pm.
Inquests if they were interesting enough, and there were quite a few of them, would be reported by the local newspaper. Suicides would be more likely to attract such attention. However you don't give any indication from the details of the death certificate that an inquest or even a post mortem took place, or that the local Coroner was in anyway involved.

Though high blood pressure would be one of the main causes of cerebral hemorrhage there are other possible causes such as for instance cirrhosis of the liver or brain tumours, so the family stories that have been passed down may not stem from Charles' final death but events previously when such threats were made. If they were serious enough any such incidences may have attracted the police, who in 1925 were far less interested in domestic violence unless it caused public breaches of the peace, and thus the courts and the newsapapers.
Attempted suicide was illegal so if any previous attempts were made they too would attract the courts' attention. If Charles previously suffered any medical symptoms, depression for instance, it is possible he might have undergone a short stay in an asylum for which the records would hold a detailed case history, so it is worth checking for possible records not just at the time of death but for a few years previously as they may well be a richer source for finding out more about the events that lead up to Charles' death.


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Re: Mintrim possible suicide
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 July 08 00:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Valda,

Thank you very much for the information, it is really interesting. The death certificate does not give any indication of an inquest so it must have been from natural causes. The depression may be an area to look at because he was a soldier in WWI and it has been suggested that because of his experience during the war, along with many other soldiers, was so horrific that he had a terrible time when he came home and found it difficult to adjust and this had been a reason for his difficult behaviour with his family.

I will definitely look for other records to see if there was any hospital/asylum stays between the war and his death.

I really appreciate the informative help that you gave me. Thank you very much.

Paula 
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Re: Mintrim possible suicide
« Reply #4 on: Friday 11 July 08 13:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Paula,
This person was related to my family and is currently being researched. Are you in this family tree?

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Re: Mintrim possible suicide
« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 July 08 15:17 BST (UK) »
rdm08,

He is in my husband's tree, in fact he is his great grandfather.

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Greening; Merret; Hanman; Heaven; Knight; in Gloucestershire
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Re: Mintrim possible suicide
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 July 08 06:42 BST (UK) »
Snap he is my husbands Grandfather too! His father was Louis (Ted) I am spending some time at the Library records next Wednesday to browse through the old Echo's although Laura and I have tried this before I will look again. :)