Thanks for the replies. After Bertha they had another daughter who died young. Then they had my grandmother Annie in 1905. All we know about them is that John Arthur disappeared after Grandma was born. No one knows what happened to him, but apparently there is history! I cannot find Elizabeth's birth, so that is where I am stuck, but may have to go for the certificate. I live in Andover Hampshire. We came to Radcliffe last year, so would be really grateful Pathway if you would look up the record for me. If you are able to get the info off the record that would be fantastic.