help with this couple in the 1891 plus census please

[kascon]

Rachael Garner b. 1859 married Joseph Read b1850 but lots of her family emigrated to Utah.
her death report on IGI says she died in Utah but i only have access to 1881 census and they married in 1881. presumable after the census as they are both at home with their parents. marriage date is 24/8/1881

can anyone find them in '91, 01 etc please so i can establish if they had any kids.
she supposedly died 1935 and he 1912

thank you

kas

[KathMc]

There is no 1890 census for the US, to speak of. It was almost completely destroyed in a fire. I did find a Joseph and Rachel Read in the 1900 census in Salt Lake City.

Joseph Read, b May 1850 in Eng, 50, married 19 years, dairyman, rents his home, emigrated 1881
Rachel, wife, b. May 1859 in england, 41, married 19 years, had 8 children, 4 living, emigrated 1881
Emily G, daughter, b. May 1882 in Utah, 18, candy maker
Lillian E.B., daughter, b. June 1884 in Utah, 15, at school
Mary L, b. March 1888 in Utah, 12, at school
Geraldine H, b. May 1890 in Utah, 10, at school

In 1910, still in Salt Lake City. Joseph is indicated as having his "own income" for occupation. Rachel had 8 children, 4 living. The girls are listed as Gertrude, 27, May Lillian 26, Mary L 24, and Hermia 20. May Lillian is a clerk at a drug company and Mary L is a bookkeeper for Hide Co.

In 1920, she is widowed, in Salt Lake City, working as a sorter in a knitting works and apparently living alone. It says she owns her home, with a mortage. But next door i believe is her daughter Mary L. I can't be sure, as the age is about 3 years off, but it is a Mary LR Burt, 31, b. utah, parents born England. Husband is Orson Allen Burt, b. Utah, father Scotland, mother Utah, truck driver. Ah, here's the kicker. There are two children, Reed Allen, 2 years 3 months, and Mary, one month.

In 1930, she is again living alone, but next door is Mary L. Burt, 44, widowed. With her are Read A., 12, and Mark L, 7. Mary is an agent for ladies dresses.

let me look around a bit more and see what I can come up with for the other girls.

Kath

[KathMc]

OK, maybe this is grasping at straws, but I found a Hermia R. Cook in the 1920 census with husband John W. Cook, 26, b. Ill, parents b. Eng, works for the railroad. They have 3 children, J. William, 4 years 5 months, Louise, 2 years 9 months, and Emmett, 9 months.

I believe this is correct. right under that entry is a Utah Cemetery Record for a Georgina Hermia Read Cook, b. 19 May 1890, died 22 Dec 1955.

1930 took a little more looking to find them. Love the way they bounce from first to middle name 

John W. Cook, head, 36, works for railroad,
Georgiann, wife, 39
John Jr., son, 14
Hermia L., daughter, 12
Joseph E, son, 10
James R, son, 8
Percy R, son, 7
Elsie, daughter, 5
Earnest, son, 3
Annie, daughter, 1 year 6 months

I need to run now for the day. If you want me to continue to follow up on these, let me know. I think it will be very easy to trace some of these forward, and I can still look for the other daughters if you like. Or someone else can jump in and do some lookups. I've only done ancestry so far, but there are a lot more resources out there to check also.

Kath

[shellyesq]

The Utah death certificates for that time frame are here:  http://labs.familysearch.org/

[kascon]

nice work Kath
what a funny name Hermia. but a lot of the Garners seem to have unusual names. they all seem to be very unlucky with kids too. every family seem to lose quite a few (3or4) compared to other families.

i would say youve definitely nailed them though.

and its confirmation they definielty went to US too.

thank you so much.

kas

[shellyesq]

I found an obituary for Joseph in the Evening Standard, Ogden, Utah from 13 Apr. 1912.  It's a bit hard to read, but here's about what it says:

Joseph Read Dead of Pneumonia
Salt Lake, April 12.  - Joseph Read, age 62 (?) years, died of pneumonia at his home 401 (?) North Twelfth West street, Thursday night.  He was born in Berk____, England, April 19, 1850, and came to Utah in 1881, residing in Salt Lake ever since his arrival.

A widow and four children survive him.  The latter are Emily Gertrude Read, Mary Lilly Read, Georgiana Hermia Read, and Mrs. Lillian Meade.  The funeral will be held Sunday at 2 pm in the Twenty-ninth ward chapel.  Burial will be in the city cemetary.


On the link I gave you above, there's a death certificate for Catherine Pearl Putnam, whose mother was Emily Gertrude Read.  Also, one for an Elsie Cook Roach, who was born to John W. Cook & Georgine Read in 1925.  Additionally, there's a Mary Burt born 1919 to Orson A. Burt and Mary L. Read; a Mark Lynn Burt born 1922 to Orson Allen Burt and Mary Lily Read;  and a Ruth Burt born 1924 to Orson Allen Burt and Lily Read.  Orson Allen Burt's wife was listed on his death certificate as Mary L.R. Burt.  It seems like everything Kath found is fitting with this family.

I also found some newspaper articles that indicated Read A. Burt of Salt Lake City died when he was a pilot in a plane crash on 15 Oct. 1960 in Plain City, Utah.

[KathMc]

Great job Shelly. I told you there were some great resources out there kas, and Shelly always knows where to look.

From the obit, giving Lillian's married name, I think I have her in 1920 as Lillian E Meads, 26, b. Utah, parents born Eng. Her husband is Frank, 35, b. Utah, parents born England. he is a gen'l contractor and owns his home with a mortgage. Their children, all born Utah, are:

Frank R, 7
James B, 5
Thelma, 4 years 1 month
Arthur J, 2 years 5 months

next door is Arthur Meads, 67, born England. Good chance that is Frank's father.

Ah, definitely the right Lillian. In 1930, they are again in Salt Lake City. With them are :

Frank R, 17
Garner B, 15
Thelma E, 14
Arthur J, 12
Vivian R, 6

I just went back to look at the 1920, and I think James B is really Garner B there also, but I can see why the transcriber would say it is James. Also above them is a Herbert Meads, 36, with his family.

Kath

[KathMc]

One last thing from me for now, and it is a long shot, but trying to find Emily, as she is the only sister we haven't tracked down yet, I found, in the Salt Lake City cemetery records on Ancestry, a death for Emily Read Center Crem Hager, death date 3 Sep 1969. I couldn't find this person on census records, but thought I'd throw it out there, in case Shelly can find something more substantial.

Kath

[KathMc]

OK, I mean it this time. One last thing. Just had a quick look on ancestry and there is a private tree and a One World tree entry. I'd be happy to contact the people if you would like. I always take that stuff with a grain of salt, but it can't hurt to make contact with someone researching the same name.

Kath