Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican

[Geoff Crowther]

Sorry, nothing especially strange about my fingers guys. I won't mention my webbed feet and small brain! Just kidding  .
My brother and I had a day exploring Leeds looking for graves and family homes just the other day; not only for Crowthers but also Archs, the maternal side of my family. I've begun adding lots of present-day pictures of locations my ancestors lived in on my family tree on ancestry.co.uk as well as photos of ancestors where I have them. I've also added as much information as I have about ancestors; addresses, occupations plus any anecdotes. If you can access this, please have a look.
Next time I'm in Leeds I must make a point of having a drink in the Black Horse, Paul. I'm really excited at the idea of drinking in the same pub as George!
Considering that George became a publican, this is a nice link back to the start of this thread.
Cheers all,
Geoff

[benny9]

Hi there all, Geoff I would like an invite to your tree please so I can see the friuts of your labour so to speak.

In the past few weeks Gary with a little help from me has futhered the Denison/ Turner mystery. Now it would appear that Sarah (Sarah Ann's mum) was married to a Jonathan Denison a Joiner. We could only find the marriage of a Jonathan Denison and a Sarah Kindrew 1813 Leeds but this could still fit. Gary found births for an Ann and a William in the Bank area of Leeds. Ann died in infancy and we assume that William is the same one as on the censuses with Sarah and Robert.

Gary then found a death record for a Jonathan Denison 1829 aged 43
Meanwhile Robert was married as far as we can see to a Hannah. There is a record of a Hannah Turner who dies 1834. CONT ON NEXT POST.

[benny9]

So all the dates are right and the areas where they lived and died. So we come to the conclusion that.
If Jonathan died in 1829 and then Hannah died in 1834 and Sarah and Robert got together in 1835 and that Sarah Ann was born in 1831 that Sarah Ann's father is..............we still don't know!

It could be that she is another man's child born out of wedlock or Robert and Sarah could of had a fling before Hannah died. There would appear to not be a christening for Sarah Ann or we have not find it so maybe she was a little b$&*@&d! Sarah Ann might have been just confused when she put Denison on her marriage cert or it could have been a missunderstanding we just don't know>

I think we should all thank Gary for a stirling effort in this research.

[telnorm]

Hi everybody. Just to let you know that my fingers are as straight as a die.
 I have had many a pint in the black horse where I used to meet up with a pal of mine two or three times a year. Internally it had lots of glazed tiling probably from the Burmantofts Pottery which was very close by. I can imagine the clan walking down from mabgate fold for a few glasses of sherry on an evening.
I agree with comments re Garys research, excellent job.   Regards to all   Terry

[benny9]

Just me with the fingers then! Seems it could have been from Edward Johnson then or just a freak of nature hmm! We'll never know. BEN

[Sandymc47]

Hi you Crowthers
What a fantastic story which has taken me nearly an hour to read. Its lovely that you mananged to pick up more relatives along the way and all add your bits of info.
Coming from Armley Leeds 12 myself but still aware of the comaradary that existed in the 'olden' days it was great watching the story unfold through the generations.
My Midgleys used to live down in Sheepscar which isnt far from your Mabgate Fold you mention so probably passed each other on the streets.
One thing about the showman part of the family.  In those days there used to be scores of fairs or feasts as they were called in Leeds and I remember as a child travelling to lots of them all over Leeds. There used to be one up York Road which is not far from Mabgate. So it wouldnt have been hard for your family to settle down nearby.
You mention Scholes which is or was a small village.  There are 3 around Leeds and just wondered which one you think it is your family come from?
One is on the way to Barwick in Elmet, one near Kirklees and the other Holme Valley.
I am also interested in the Viking genes as well, but being a female am waiting for my sons to have the test as I am sure most people from the Leeds area originate from the Vikings.   If your family is like mine, there is always a blonde daughter even though both the parents have darker hair. Just wondered if you have the same gene that we have in our family as I always blame that on the Vikings.
Loved reading it all and hope you managed to meet up eventually
regards Sandymc,
Yorkshire Lass

[benny9]

Hi there Sandy, I am glad you like the story. It is my side of the family that travelled and they did till the early fifties. My grandad was born in a showmans van on York st fairground. We have not all met up yet we are planning to. Terry and I have met a few times and gone researching in Huddersfield and Leeds. It was he and I who first contacted each other on here. At the moment we are in contact with 10 relatives through this site and ancestry's family trees. I think it has been one of the best parts of doing the family tree finding relatives I did not know about. It has been good bouncing ideas off each other but the crowning glory for me and my dad was the discovery of the steam engine. Hopefully it will be soon that we can meet up and have good old chin wag about the family and I am sure there will be many more posts on here. As we speak we are trying to find an Azubah Crowther but not having much luck! Thanks for reading our post so far and I hope you find what you are looking for. BEN
PS. it is the the Scholes nearest to Birstall as far as we can see.

[dartnall2000]

I am interested in herbert crowther who is a cinematograph traveller in 1911. wondered if anyone has links to him or has come across him.
I think he is one who may link to my family.

We do have stories od travellers in the fmaily and he is my first confirmed one although his parents samuel & sarah has a number of children on the move.
linda in aus.

[benny9]

Hi Linda, I have not heard of a Herbert Crowther in relation to our family that does not mean he is not one of us. My Greatgrandad was Herbert Johnson. Maybe one of the other Crowthers on this string has heard of him. What part of England was he from! Our lot did not venture much from Yorkshire or around Leeds.