charlton high jinks!!

[diddymiller]

was going to send for birth cert of John Thomas Purvis (1869/70).
would Jarrow birth be Durham or Tynemouth or newcastle? one I have is Tynemouth marQ 10b/191 but there are others.

Ta Diddy

[Gadget]

Jarrow is County Durham - tis across the water 

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Diddy & Gadget

My understanding (very limited) is that in English law Thomas Purvis was not married to Mary Ann on 2 Apr 1871 because her husband William Charlton was still alive.  However, Mary could describe herself as married - she just was not married to the chap she was living with.  Thomas, being Scottish, may have thought that he was married because of Scottish custom -

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looks increasingly like a bidie-in (see Gadget) and so may have been an unwitting bigamist.

All the best

Gobbo

[Gadget]

Hi both 

My reading of it is that Mary Ann would have been the bigamist, if she had married Thomas as the other Mary Ann, using a false name - Riley.  Thomas would not have been a bigamist unless he had previously married. If this 1865 marriage was not their marriage then it would not be bigamy under English  law. They would have just been living together.

High jinks 


Gadget

[diddymiller]

told my mother today!!!!

suspect it may be simply they were living together and enumerator assumed they were married.

don't think other mary ann marriage is relevant at all. mary Ann had Elizabeth in 1865 so def still with T. Charlton then!!

my understanding is from my aunt (some while back) that the Charltons / Purvises were a very close family. Now we know why!!

Feel sorry for William (1863 my GGrandfather) who was brought up by Mary Anns parents the Gardners. Did Thomas Charlton refuse to allow him to live with his mother because of the situation although Elizabeth was with them?
they all lived pretty close - Percy main / Chirton area. 

I love a good story - prob never know but its what makes this hobby so exciting don't you think.

BTW any ideas on William (abt 1815 - 1861)? as posted earlier. can't find him anywhere.

Diddy 

[diddymiller]

By the way - I DO know where Jarrow is - my mum & dad where both born there and i still have rellies there. just wasn't sure about registration district.

Thanks for help.

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Diddy

What records have you seen of William Charlton (abt 1815-1861).

At the moment I can only trace a possible marriage in the S Shields registration district in Q3 1841 to Elizabeth Sanderson.  I cannot find the marriage to Ann Middleton.  Do you have any idea of his occupation - it should be shown on Thomas's marriage certificate.  How certain are you that Thomas was born in 1842?

Good luck

Gobbo

[Gadget]

Hi Diddy

I expect you know of this:

http://www.durham.gov.uk/DurhamCC/usp.nsf/pws/Registrar+-+purchase+of+registration+certificates

There's an interesting John Thomas Purvis in Durham Northern in 1869 that looks the most likely for Jarrow.


Gadget

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Diddy

Gadget is right about Jarrow now being in North Durham.  Freebmd/Genuki show Jarrow as part of the South Shields registration district until this was absorbed in to North Durham.

If John Thomas was one year old on the census day in 1871 (2 Apr 1871) he must have been born between 3 Apr 1869 and 3 Apr 1870, so registration of the birth should have been between Q2 in 1869 and Q2 in 1870.

Freebmd offers two John Purvises with births registered in South Shields in the relevent interval -

John Tully Purvis Q4 1869 S Shields 10a 598
John Tom Purvis Q1 1870 S Shields 10a 675

Good luck

Gobbo