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1918 Absent Voters Lists Maidenhead Berkshire
« on: Tuesday 16 September 08 09:26 BST (UK) »
I believe there was an election in 1918 and that there could be an "Absent Voters List".  Does anyone know where I might find information about this list for Maidenhead Berkshire and whether my Grandfather Ernest John Wyse was abroad or at home in that year.
Any help about "Absent Voters Lists" gratefully received,
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Re: 1918 Absent Voters Lists Maidenhead Berkshire
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 September 08 16:48 BST (UK) »
From 15 October 1918 to 1926 the electoral registers were compiled twice a year. Those absent in the armed forces when the 1918 and subsequent lists were compiled are shown separately at the end of the polling district in which they normally lived (with their home address, unit, rank and number), in an absent voters' list, and they could vote either by post or proxy. Conscientious objectors were deprived of the vote from 1918 to 1923.
See also http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelprestype/offpubs/electreg/electoralregisters.pdf
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Re: 1918 Absent Voters Lists Maidenhead Berkshire
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 September 08 17:20 BST (UK) »
Hello Stan,

Thank you for your reply.  I have had a look at the link you provided but am more confused than before.  But thank you for trying,

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Re: 1918 Absent Voters Lists Maidenhead Berkshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 December 08 02:11 GMT (UK) »
Conscientious objectors were deprived of the vote from 1918 to 1923.
See also http://www.bl.uk/collections/social/spis_er.html
Stan

This is an oversimplification.  Only conscientious objectors deemed not to have performed Work of National Importance (e.g. because they were in prison) were formally disfranchised for five years under the Representation of the People Act 1918, but, this being a back-bench chauvinist initiative only grudgingly accepted by the government, there was no machinery for enforcing the disfranchisement, and many COs just voted, anyway.

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Re: 1918 Absent Voters Lists Maidenhead Berkshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 December 08 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for pointing that out  :) It may be an over simplification but I was only quoting what is stated on these and other sites, and is what most people will find.  ;D
Conscientious Objectors, on the other hand, were disenfranchised for five years
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/notes/snpc-04276.pdf

http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/usp.nsf/lookup/pdfhandlists/$file/userguide06.pdf
http://www.glamro.gov.uk/adobe/Electors.pdf
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/media/pdf/0/6/Electoral_registers.pdf

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Re: 1918 Absent Voters Lists Maidenhead Berkshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 19 December 08 10:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Abian

Berkshire Record Office should be able to tell you if there are surviving lists for Maidenhead 1918/1919 http://www.berkshirerecordoffice.org.uk/

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 19 December 08 11:16 GMT (UK) »
Thanks casalguildi and a very Happy Christmas to you :)
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Re: 1918 Absent Voters Lists Maidenhead Berkshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 19 December 08 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for pointing that out  :) It may be an over simplification but I was only quoting what is stated on these and other sites, and is what most people will find.  ;D
Conscientious Objectors, on the other hand, were disenfranchised for five years
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/notes/snpc-04276.pdf

http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/usp.nsf/lookup/pdfhandlists/$file/userguide06.pdf
http://www.glamro.gov.uk/adobe/Electors.pdf
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/media/pdf/0/6/Electoral_registers.pdf

Stan


Thanks for this.  It seems to be the old case of everybody quoting each other, without anyone going back to sources.  The one actual source cited is David Butler, who really should have known better.  Some of the papers you cite have gone way beyond Butler, implying that all conscientious objectors were barred from the franchise for all time, along with the oft-quoted "peers and lunatics".

The relevant legislation is the Representation of the People Act 1918, s 9 (2), which set up a complicated procedure whereby all COs were disqualified from voting for five years from the end of the war, except those in the Non-Combatant Corps and those who could satisfy the Central Tribunal (retained specially for the purpose) that they had done Work of National Importance.  In fact, ony 404 applied under that provision, and the Central Tribunal was obliged to recognise that in many cases COs had been included in the register because the registration officer had been ignorant of the facts.  It reported in 1922, "There seems no other conclusion possible but that the section has failed in its intended effect".

Butler and others are also wrong in stating that the five-year period of supposed disfranchisement was 1918-1923, because the war was not legally concluded until 31 August 1921, and the notional five years therefore expired on 30 August 1926.  The most succinct account of all this is in John Rae, 'Conscience and Politics', OUP, 1970, pp 234-5.

Fitzjohn