hi jane,thank you so much for the info,walter was my grandfather,me nor any of my family have much info on joseph william,but Dora died in 1918 she was only 28,sadly my grandad never had much to do with joseph after her death,he was raised by a Platts ?? family in catcliffe,his older brother who we also never knew much about is rumoured to have drowned at a young age in a canal,its made it very difficult to piece together my Reynolds line and ive no access to the census records so if you could help me further that would be great. regards shane