Templetons of Creetown, Kirkmabreck

[Cjeff]

Hi Gadget

Thankyou for your help.  Samuel is indeed the one you found in 1861 with a wife and daughter in Westgate.  However just to add to the mystery, we cannot find a marriage certificate for the couple!  All we know is that her name was Jane Lawler, and that she originated in the Leeds area.

I had another death notice through, this time for Samuels eldest daughter Catherine (who was on the 1861 census with them), which again states that father Samuel originated in Troon, Ayrshire!

Still confused!

Thanks again for your help.

Caroline

[Gadget]

Hi Caroline

Where do you have him b. Creetown?

Also, how did you find that they were stonemasons?

Another also    Does it say on his children's birth certs that he was born in Troon?  I've not seen that on an E & W cert.before.  It usually gives the place of residence rather a birthplace of father.


Hi Madpants - I'd given the link a couple of messages before 

There's also a posting on the Ayrshire board.


Gadget

[Cjeff]

Hi again

We believed our Samuel Templeton to be:

1841 - Living with Catherine Templeton (mother? b1789 Kirkmabreck), Mary Templeton (15), David Templeton (10), Jess Templeton (13), Janet Rain (75), Mary M Robert (35) and her children in Creetown.
1851 - Living with others including David Templeton b1831 Creetown in Renfrewshire, Samuel is a stone mason, birthplace given as Creetown.
1861 - Living in Westgate with wife and daughter.  Birthplace given as Scotland, stone mason.
1871 - Living with wife and children in Byker, Newcastle with wife and children, birthplace given as Scotland, stone mason.
1881 - Living with wife and children in Byker, stone mason.  Birthplace given as Kirkmabruik.
1887 - Died Newcastle

We thought Catherine b1789 was Samuel's Mother (on 1841 census), and on the 1851 she was with husband Samuel (b1791 Girthon), he was in Ross, Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire on the 1841 census, a mason, with other masons.  He was still a mason in 1851, but we can't find either after this time.  So we believed his parents to be the above Catherine and Samuel.

We can be certain that our Samuel b c1829 was the one on the 1861-1881 censuses at least!

Regards

Caroline

[Gadget]

It looks very much like b. Kirkmabreck to me on your evidence but no sign in the records. I've just done a global search on Templeton births in Kirkcudbrightshire for 1820-1835. There is an interesting baptisms in Girthon - might be the Catherine and Samuel senior:

4 June 1820 John Templeton s/o Samuel Templeton and Catherine Milligan.

I know that some of the Kirkmabreck records are missing - but I thought it was earlier on 

I'll see if I can find anything else.


Gadget

 

[Gadget]

There is an interesting baptisms in Girthon - might be the Catherine and Samuel senior:

4 June 1820 John Templeton s/o Samuel Templeton and Catherine Milligan.

I'll see if I can find anything else.


Gadget

 

Samuel is shown as being a Mason in this entry. They are living Gatehouse of Fleet at the time - just around the corner from Creetown.


Gadget

[Gadget]

I also see that on the 1851, Samuel, senior was born in Girthon and Catherine in Kirkmabreck. I think the  female Jess, aged 13 onthe 1841 is the Jannet, aged 23 on the 1851 (Janet - Jessie - Jess):

http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?search_name=Jessie&search_sex=F&action=search&Submit=Submit

The 1841 just has the following as one household:

169 Old Street, Creetown

Catherine Templeton, 50
Mary, 15,
Samuel, 15
Jess, 13
David, 10

all b. Kirkcudbrightshire

Tthe other names (Robert and Rain family) were living next door at no. 168. There is a definite start/finish slash between the households. Maybe the indexing was wrong but my info  is from the census image.

I am sure that this is your family now having looked at the availably evidence (a family of masons, David and Samuel on the 1851, b. Creetown or Kirkmabreck on some of the censuses, etc.). The problem is that there seems to be no baptism record (many were not recorded or not baptised or maybe not bpt. in C of Scotland).

I'll have a look at what Girthon records I have.

Have you followed up David and sister Janet/Jess?

Gadget

[Gadget]

Have you got this:

A possible for David on the 1861:

Fullarton St, Dundonald, Ayrshire
Reg Dist 595 ED 9 page 27

David Templeton, 26, mason, b. Gallowayshire
Jane, w,  25, b. Symington, Ayrshire
David, 4,s, b. Dundonald
Agnes Logan, d, 2, b. Dumfriesshire

I think it is!  Very interesting - I have found the marriage of David in Dundonald in 1856:

15 Sept 1856 - banns according to the Free Chuirch of Scotland (may explain lack of baptisms!)

David Milligan Templeton, aged 22, a Mason. Parents - Samuel Templeton, mason and Catherine m.s. Milligan (deceased).

and Jane Crawford, 23, Parents - Andrew Crawford, carter and Agnes m.s. Logan

witnesses - Charles Crawford and Janet Crawford

Only Catherine is shown as deceased on the marriage cert. so Samuel, snr. is still worth searching for.


Gadget


Added - a certain spookiness or pure chance about this thread as I now live in Newcastle and my 3 x great granny grew up in Kirkmabreck and was b.  Girthon 

[MonicaL]

Gadget

This looks to be the son John that you posted an OPR birth for in 1820 in the 1861 Census:

John Templeton 40, stone mason, b. Creetown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Isabella Templeton 38, b. Troon Dund Par, Ayrshire
Samuel Templeton 13
Jane Templeton 11
John Templeton 9
Janet Templeton 3
Isabella Templeton 1

Address: 15 Academy Street, Dundonald Ayr

Everyone showing as born in Troon, apart from John Snr.

Monica 

[MonicaL]

Likely OPR marriage entry for him:

JOHN TEMPLETON  and ISABELLA HUNTER    
Marriage: 28 SEP 1846 in Dundonald, Ayr

Monica