Florence Ceney

[crazydaizy]

Hello Everyone

I'm well and truly stuck here!

I seem to have been sent a Birth and a Death Certificate of an Edward Ceney, who was born August 1909 and died 15 days later September 1909.  I have recently sent off for Birth/Death Certs, but dont remember asking for this one???

This Edward's Mother was Florence Ceney, a Domestic Servant.

I have extensive records of my Ceney family, but not a Florence Ceney that matches up with this woman.

I have found a Florence Ceney in an 1891 Census who was the daughter of Richard and Sarah.  Therefore Florence was born Abt 1882.  I cannot find anything (well not on Genes Reunited anyway... I think there is something on Ancestry but I am not subscribed to it at the moment) in the 1901 Census....

I have found a Florence Ceney Marriage record in 1904.... but surely if she married she would have a different surname?  So that does not not relate to it.

Oh dear, I am at a loss here... can anyone shed any light on the subject for me....

[crazydaizy]

PS...

I have a Richard Ceney in my records, DOB Abt 1855.... he's in the 1891 Census married to Sarah Ceney.... But in my records I have him married to Elizabeth Hawkins... Apr/May/June 1881

Maybe he remarried?  Did they do that in those days?

 

[Necromancer]

There a Florence c1886 West Brom in FreeBMD - she's with parents John and Clara in the 1901 West Brom.

1901-  RG13/2723; Folio: 132; Page: 12

and maybe this is her marriage in 4Q1909 ? This would be after that birth/death of an Edward ....

Marriages Dec 1909 
 
CENEY  Florence    W. Bromwich  vol 6b page 1439   to  HAYES  John Edward     

[lizdb]

I have a Richard Ceney in my records, DOB Abt 1855.... he's in the 1891 Census married to Sarah Ceney.... But in my records I have him married to Elizabeth Hawkins... Apr/May/June 1881

where do your records come from? have you substantiaited them with certs etc?
Either there are two Richard Ceney's one married to Sarah and one to Elizabeth, or the same chap remarried (of course theydid that in those days! If first wife died) or there is one wife soemtimes called Sarah and sometines Elizabeth!
You will have to do some more detective work and find more eviidence to find out which is the case!

[crazydaizy]

There a Florence c1886 West Brom in FreeBMD - she's with parents John and Clara in the 1901 West Brom.

1901-  RG13/2723; Folio: 132; Page: 12

and maybe this is her marriage in 4Q1909 ? This would be after that birth/death of an Edward ....

Marriages Dec 1909 
 
CENEY  Florence    W. Bromwich  vol 6b page 1439   to  HAYES  John Edward     

I have a John + Clara in my records.... so we are on the right track, but they have two children Alice + Lucy + no Florence.  I will have to look at that copy of the 1901 Census.

I will also check out that marriage record too.

I have also found a married of Florence and Hayes

Thanx

[Necromancer]

Family in 1901 - census page not fully transcribed - just to show you the kids names.

The image is clearly CENEY btw 

 
John Coney 37  Head Coal Miner
Clara Coney 36 
Florence Coney 14 
Lucy Coney 13 
Alice Coney 11 
Nellie Coney 9 
John Coney 7 
Joseph Coney 5 
May Coney 3
Lilly Coney 1 

 

[crazydaizy]

Family in 1901 - census page not fully transcribed - just to show you the kids names.

The image is clearly CENEY btw 

 
John Coney 37  Head Coal Miner
Clara Coney 36 
Florence Coney 14 
Lucy Coney 13 
Alice Coney 11 
Nellie Coney 9 
John Coney 7 
Joseph Coney 5 
May Coney 3
Lilly Coney 1 

 

Now THAT is very useful thank you, I forget to look for different spellings of the name!  Great!!!

[Necromancer]

ah, yes - the 1891 (spelled CENCY) doesnt show her ...)  maybe with other relations on Clara's side ?

RG12/2269; Folio 121; Page 21 - West Brom.

[Necromancer]

Given that Clara's maiden was EDEN - this is most likely your lass in 1891.

RG12/2272; Folio 99; Page 22 - West Brom
27, Church Lane


George Eden 63  Head Carter Oxfordshire
Rachel Eden 55  Wife Warwickshire
Thomas Eden 26 son Coal Miner Wednesbury
Lucy Eden 23  dau do
Alfred Eden 20 son Apprentice to ~~~~ West Brom

Florrie Eden 4   Grandaughter West Brom