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Re: 34 Carrick Street, Ayr - ? Poorhouse
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 30 December 08 21:25 GMT (UK) »
I'm late in on this thread but have two comments.

1.  After the introduction of statutory recording of BMDs in Scotland in 1855, there was a degree of confusion for several years as to just when the RCE (Register of Corrected Entries) procedure should be used for deaths such as this.

In later years, the death would have been registered within a few days, most often by a relative, or a landlord etc., with a later RCE entry following an investigation of the circumstances following the involvement of the Procurator Fiscal (PF) and his staff; this RCE entry confirming the place and date of the death, possibly with a wee bit more detail than in the death register entry.

To begin with, however, for several years, it appears that the route followed was that of the info being given in the first instance to the PF, who then acted as the informant, or the person certifying the cause of death. As in this case, there wasn't an RCE entry.


2.  I'm unsure as to what info survives as regards the Poor Relief records in Dalry [in the County of Ayrshire] (where I now live !) but the most informative Poor Relief records are the Inspectors' reports of the interview with the applicant for Poor Relief, normally on the day of their application, or the day after.

In the best cases, not unusual, where these interview reports survive, they provide a mini life history, with the age and place of birth of the applicant; names of parents; name of spouse and names of spouse's parents; names of children; along with, in the 'best' cases, names of children's spouses and their issue, as well as their occupations and income (all this in order to determine why they couldn't give financial support to the applicant for Poor Relief).

It's also quite common as regards the applicant, to find a listing of addresses over many years, this not least to assist the local parish to assign costs back to another parish !

Orraverybest

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Re: 34 Carrick Street, Ayr - ? Poorhouse
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Dear Lynn

It looks like we are distant relations, as John Fisher is my great, great, great grandfather.

I do not have a date of birth for him yet, as there were quite a few John Fishers born in Glasgow around that time.  We know that he had a brother as he stayed overnight with him the night before his suicide.  I have tried to find out which John Fisher is ours, by finding one born in Glasgow, with a brother in Ayrshire at the time of his death.  I have not had any luck so far.

I am attaching a copy of the article re his suicide in case you have not seen it.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,338569.0.html

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Janice

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Re: 34 Carrick Street, Ayr - ? Poorhouse
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 12:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jan

Looks like we are relatives....that's interesting.

John Fisher was my great, great great great grandfather. As far as we are aware John's son John married Elenora Aitken and moved to Maryhill, Glasgow and had a son John who married Margaret Stewart who had a son John who married Mary Hannah McAulay who then had 7 children one of which was my grandfather Charles Moir Fisher.

Thanks for the article on the suicide, I have tried to find more details John Fisher, St Quivox and have found one that was born on 28/10/1810 in Glasgow,Lanark and this age fits with the census but I am not totally sure. Shall keep looking...

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Lynn

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Re: 34 Carrick Street, Ayr - ? Poorhouse
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lynn

Agnes Wren Stewart Fisher, my grandmother,  is a sister of the John Fisher who married Mary McAulay.

I will send you a personal message and we can see what information we have which may be of help to you.  You may have some which is of interest to us.

By the way, one of the family married Bill Shankley, the famous football manager.  Are you impressed? !!

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Janice