Birth records: John Lloyd, b. 1791, Llanfihangel y Creuddyn Upper, Cardiganshire

[geaugagrrl]

Hello!  I am glad to find your Web site.  I am hoping to find birth records for John Lloyd, b. 1791, Llanfihangel y Creuddyn Upper, Cardiganshire(Ceredigion), Wales.  Could possibly have been Eglwys Newydd (Saint Michael's Hafod Chapel) at the previous location to 1803 when this church was built by Thomas Johnes.   A number of his children were baptized at Eglwys Newydd, Hafod:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Saint_Michael_Hafod_Eglwys_Newydd_John_Fielding_SN673.jpg 

On 29 March 1817 John married Jane Williams, b. 1801.  He immigrated to Nekime Township, section 32, near Oshkosh, Wisconsin in 1864. 

Many thanks for your help!

[osprey]

Welcome to Rootschat!

Neither Llanfihangel y Creuddyn nor Eglwys Newydd are on the IGI for the period you need. The parish records are at the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth - they do not have a look-up facility, but there is a list on their website of peope who will do look-ups for a fee.

There are copies at the record office in Aberystwyth , so worth contacting

http://archifdy-ceredigion.org.uk/

 

[geaugagrrl]

Hi osprey,

Thanks for the welcome and response.  I have contacted Ceredigion Records Office, but they no information on John Lloyd.  I did contact one of the listed researchers on NLW, but they have stopped responding to email.  They provided marriage information, but then no further contact.  Frustrating.  I will look through the list and choose someone else.  I have also joined the Cardiganshire Family History Society and requested help with the search for John Lloyd.  Bye for now.

[Greygirl]

Hi
I have traced my Lloyds back to David Lloyd who married Mary Thomas in Llanilar in 1818. The marriage record states:

David Lloyd of Llanfihangel y Creuddyn + Mary Thomas of Llanilar married by banns with consent of their parents 13th March 1818 by Owen Owen (vicar). Witnesses: John Lloyd and Margaret Powell.

Your John Lloyd b1791 would have been of the same generation - is there any chance that they could have been brothers or maybe cousins? Maybe he is the witness named above. What do you think?

[geaugagrrl]

I supposed it is possible my John Lloyd, b. 1791, Llanfihangel-y-Crueddyn could have participated in the wedding.  As to whether he is related to your David Lloyd, I am not sure.  I have not located any of his direct family.  He married Jane Williams on 26 March 1817 and had six children before moving to Oshkosh, Wisconsin in 1864.  I do have his picture though which I have attached. What church were David Lloyd and Mary Thomas married? Several of John's children were baptized at Hafod Church.  Where did you locate your marriage information?  I can send John's picture and that of his son William (my great great grandfather) if you provide your email address. 

[NigelG]

Hi there - just a suggestion. When I traced my Morgan and Jones relations at Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn and Eglwys Newydd for the same time frame - some of the baptism records were recorded using the old Welsh patronymic naming system.

In brief - the child was given the father's christian name as his/her surname

Consequently, you may have to look for a baptism of a John son of Lloyd ?? c1791 and not a John Lloyd.

Best of luck!

[geaugagrrl]

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I understand the patronymic naming convention; I've already called Ceredigion records, and they have no information.  Where else should I search? He lived at a farm named: Ffynonlas from 1841 until he immigrated in 1864.  He was a tailor, but could not read or write. 

[osprey]

have you tried the non-conformist records as well as the established church?

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llanfihangel-y-Creuddyn/Chapels.html

Have you tried neighbouring parishes?

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/IlarMap.html

[NigelG]

Do you have the christening details of all of John & Jane Lloyd's children? What address was recorded for each child in the register?

In some cases, newly weds 1st couple of children may/could have been born at the grandparents (i.e. John Lloyd or his wife Jane's parents) address?

It will be a bit of a trawl but maybe use those address details to try and locate who is living at the address on the 1841 census to see if that holds any clues.

If you post the christening details for John's children, I'd be willing to check for you.

Alternatively - you could ask the Archivist at Cardigan to search for leases, deeds, wills or mentions of the properties that the family lived in.

Might be worth a shot?