COMPLETED- tait marriage details

[wildgoose]

can anyone help with image below

[aghadowey]

Is it from a Scottish birth certificate?
Bit hard to read but looks like 1852? December Downpatrick.

[wildgoose]

It is from a Scottish bc. I think you have hit the nail on the head...

[aghadowey]

Civil registration of Catholic marriages in Ireland only started in 1864 but from 1845 for other marriages so there might be a chance on getting the marriage certificate if they weren't Catholic. What were the parents' names?

[wildgoose]

looking at their time in Scotland they seem to have been Presbyterian/CofS.  What caught my eye is the name of the son - Hans - which doesn't seem too Irish but may be the source of the MARTIN family legend that there was a "German" connection (sound of man clutching at straw...) I am currently trying to prove that Samuel had a brother Hans who married a Rachel MARTIN...

1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: 2 East Bridge St.
Census Place: Falkirk, STI
Samuel TATE, head, marr.1852 Dec, Downpatrick, Labourer, 27, Ireland.
Mary Johnston TATE, wife, marr., 25, Ireland.
William, son, 6, Scholar, Ireland
James, son, 4, Scholar, STI, Falkirk
Joseph, son, 2, STI, Falkirk
Hans, son, 2 months, STI, Falkirk
Martin ARMSTRONG, lodger, unm., 22, Labourer, Ireland.

[aghadowey]

IGI lists 9 children of Hans Tate and Rachel Martin.

Children of Samuel Tate and Mary Johnston also listed: James, Hans and Joseph born Falkirk and then 2 surprises:
1. Robert born 15 Nov.1868 Co. Down
2. Mary Ann born 28 Sept.1870 Co. Down
If these last 2 children arethe same family it looks like Samuel and family might have returned to Ireland.

Did a bit more searching before posting the above details and Eureka!
Samuel Tate, son of William, married 7 Dec.1852 Downpatrick to Mary Johnston (and Robert and Mary Ann seem to be their children:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/T/TaTe.htm#ta

[wildgoose]

that's the missing link...I think   would I be able to get copies of the Irish bc/mcs and what about dcs

Name:   Hans TAIT
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Birth:   1825   Ireland
Death:   17 4 1901   South Street, Boness, Linlithgowshire
Occupation:   Pawnbroker
Father:   William TAIT
Mother:   Margaret THOMSON
Marriage:   24 12 1843   Ireland
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Spouse:   Rachel MARTIN
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Birth:   1824   Ireland
Death:   15 5 1907   Poorhouse Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire2
Father:   William MARTIN
Mother:   Grace McGEE (1804-)

Children:
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1 F:   Grace TAIT
Birth:   1846   Ireland
Death:   11 3 1936   66 Coatbridge Rd., Glenboig, Lanarkshire3
Religion:   Church of Scotland
Spouse:   Charles HAGGIE
Marriage:   16 6 1865   Boness, Linlithgowshire4
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2 M:   William TAIT
Birth:   9 4 1849   Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Occupation:   Master joiner
Religion:   Church of Scotland
Spouse:   Margaret WEIR
Marriage:   4 12 1885   Boness, Linlithgowshire5
Spouse:   Alexandrina HEGGIE
Marriage:   1 6 1874   Boness, Linlithgowshire6
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3 F:   Margaret TAIT
Birth:   10 4 1851   Falkirk, Stirlingshire
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4 F:   Margaret Ann TAIT
Birth:   24 10 1852   Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Occupation:   Dressmaker
Religion:   Church of Scotland
Spouse:   John WYLIE
Marriage:   6 10 1873   The Manse, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire7
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5 F:   Elizabeth Jane TAIT
Birth:   27 10 1854   Falkirk, Stirlingshire
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6 M:   Joseph TAIT
Birth:   18 9 1857   Falkirk, Stirlingshire
Death:   13 2 1908   13 2 19088
Occupation:   Tailor
Religion:   Church of Scotland
Spouse:   Janet Kay Scott CORSTORPHINE
Marriage:   9 4 1888   52 West Nile St., Blythswood, Glasgow9
Spouse:   Eliza CAMPBELL
Marriage:   13 12 1881   4 Buckingham St., Hillhead, Partick, Lanarkshire10
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7 M:   Samuel TAIT
Birth:   18 5 1860   Falkirk, Stirlingshire11
Death:   7 3 1911   Bangour Village Hospital, Linlithgowshire12
Occupation:   Joiner
Spouse:   Robina DYKES
Marriage:   24 4 1896   73 Constitution St, Leith, Edinburgh13
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8 M:   John Anderson TAIT
Birth:   11 3 1863   Boness, Linlithgowshire
Occupation:   Watchmaker
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9 M:   James TAIT
Birth:   8 2 1864   Boness, Linlithgowshire14
Occupation:   Mason
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10 F:   Rachel TAIT
Birth:   14 3 1866   Boness, Linlithgowshire15
Death:   16 11 1932   182 Main St., Carriden, Boness, Linlithgowshire16
Occupation:   Pupil teacher
Spouse:   Andrew KAY
Marriage:   2 3 1887   52 West Nile St., Blythswood, Glasgow17
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11 F:   Helen Mitchell TAIT
Birth:   15 4 1868   Boness, Linlithgowshire18
Occupation:   Tobacconist

[aghadowey]

Civil registration of births, death and Catholic marriages in Ireland began in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages). For earlier dates you'll have to search for church records (if they exist).
www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm

[wildgoose]

many thanks