Author Topic: **Solved!! Many thanks!**Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button  (Read 4806 times)

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:35 BST (UK) »
Amelia HOLMES with parents in 1861:

Farr St, Bishop Norton, Lincs

Samuel Holmes Head Mar 31 Agriculture Labourer Lincolnshire Normanby
Ann do Wife Mar 28 Lincolnshire Bishop Norton
Amelia do Daur 5 Scholar Lincolnshire Bishop Norton
Ann do Daur 3 Scholar Lincolnshire Bishop Norton

RG9/2395/5/6

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:36 BST (UK) »

   1861  RG9/2395 F 5 P 6  Bishop Norton Lincs.

  Samuel Holmes hd m 31  ag lab Normanby
  Ann                   wi m 28             Bishop Norton
  Amelia             dau 5  scholar            d/o
  Ann                 dau 3   d/o                  d/o

  1901 rg13 /3059 f 39 p 9 Nettleham Lincs

  Atkin Button hd m 46 general ag lab     South Willingham
  Amelia          wi m 44                              Bishop Norton
  Nellie Holmes niece u 4                           Yorks Sheffield

                   Tazzie


   Snap Anna must type faster..... ;D
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:42 BST (UK) »



   Catherine ....... who had a sister Amelia ?

            Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:47 BST (UK) »



    James Holmes married Diana A Coope 1854 Caister Q1

                  Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:48 BST (UK) »
I've actually got Nellie's father's parents down as being James Holmes and Diana Ann Coope


This couple, plus children Mary A (13) and Tom (2), were in Bishop Norton in 1871: RG10/3424/46/10

No son James with them - perhaps he was elsewhere.  James Holmes snr was 41 born Normanby, so perhaps a brother or other close relative (twin even?) of Amelia Holmes' father Samuel, who was also b Normanby abt 1831.

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:50 BST (UK) »
1901
66 Reginald St, Sheffield
George W GROVES 34 Horsekeeper (carters), Saxilby Lincs
Louisa 36 Welbourn
Laura 12 Welbourn
William T 8 Sheffield
Florence M 6 Sheffield
Ada L 3 Sheffield
Nellie 6m Sheffield
Charles VICKERS (Boarder)19 Coal Carter, Saxilby
Joseph HOLMES (Boarder,wid) 29 Provision Carter, Bishop Norton

Marriages Sep 1886 
GROVES    George William         Sleaford    7a   691    
HARVEY    Louisa Baker         Sleaford    7a   691

1881
Joseph HOLMES 9 Bishop Norton
son of James 52 Normanby and Dinah 48 Bishop Norton
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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:57 BST (UK) »



   Joseph Holmes appears with James & Diana in 1881 as born 1872.
  I cannot see Joseph having a sister Amelia?

  RG11/3245 F 88 P19 IN Caenby Lincs

               Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 10:57 BST (UK) »
James Holmes, 23 b Normanby, is in service in Bishop Norton in 1851: HO107/2115/298/7

This gives a revised birthdate of abt 1828 which matches with an 8 a 13 yr old James Holmes who is in the household of Robert and Mary Holmes in Normanby in 1841.  One of the other children is a Samuel Holmes, 5.  Perhaps he became a bit vague about his age later on, if this is Amelia's father.

1841 ref: HO107/641/6/5/5

Anna :)

Edited to correct my error - thanks for pointing that out, Geoff ;)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Family mystery - Holmes/Campbell/Groves/Button
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 21 October 08 11:05 BST (UK) »
Baptism 19 Oct 1828, Normanby by Spital
James HOLMES, son of Robert and Mary
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