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Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« on: Sunday 26 October 08 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I started to look up this ancestor in 2007 but gave up - too many people with the same name and no definite dates etc.  However, having just received the incoming ships passenger lists to the UK on ancestry i thought I'd give this mystery another try, and am hoping some kind soul will be able to help me.

Robert Service Baxter b1876 Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Louisa Baxter (nee weatherby) b1865 Shrewsbury, Shropshire England
Elizabeth Grace Baxter b1900 Strathblane Stirkingshire Scotland
Robert Weatherby Baxter b1902 Maryhill Glasgow Scotland

Emigrated to Canada sometime after the yongest child was born.  I can't find any records for them leaving the UK so do not know how soon after the second child was born they went.  I found them on the 1911 Canadian census living in Watrous, Humboldt, Saskatchewan.  Robert is listed as a butcher and I am told they had a farm, land and animals.
I would like to try and find out when and where they arrived in Canada. 

Louisa came back to the UK with her children but without her husband.  Having just got the passenger lists on Ancestry I have established that they sailed from Montreal and arrived back in Liverpool in the UK on 6 Dec 1912.  Her husband Robert was supposed to sell the farm in Watrous and follow - he never did.  There are too many Robert Baxters on the incoming passenger lists after 1912 to know if any of them are definitely him.  There are also a number of Robert Baxters and one or two Robert S Baxters that apper to have hopped over the border into America after 1912. 

I am not subscribed to ancestry with world membership, just UK,  so am unable to check the Canadian passenger lists or the border crossings.

I would also be interested to know how I would go about finding out if there are any records relating to the land they obtained in Watrous and whether there would be any records of the sale of the land at a later date.

Hoping someone can help

Nad
Durham/Newcastle: Richardson, Glendenning, Glendening, Glendinning, Postle, Carr, Tatters
Norfolk/Suffolk: Love, Sharman
Somerset/Glamorgan, Wales: Brooks, Elliott, Smith
Cumberland: Richardson, Gribbin, Butler, Tatters
Shropshire/Welshpool: Thomas, Bradshaw, Summers, Weatherby, Phillips
Scotland: Baxter, Service, McMaster

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Re: Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 October 08 15:19 GMT (UK) »
hi nad,

The Saskatchewan Homestead Index has several Robert Baxters' listed, 3 look like they might be promising. I'm not good with land locations, you can contact someone there & they will most likely be able to tell you where exactly the land descriptions are located.

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Re: Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 October 08 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Lisa,

I just found some of those this afternoon, but can't make head nor tail of the section, range numbers etc. in relation to Watrous - I will dig further.

Thanks again

Nad
Durham/Newcastle: Richardson, Glendenning, Glendening, Glendinning, Postle, Carr, Tatters
Norfolk/Suffolk: Love, Sharman
Somerset/Glamorgan, Wales: Brooks, Elliott, Smith
Cumberland: Richardson, Gribbin, Butler, Tatters
Shropshire/Welshpool: Thomas, Bradshaw, Summers, Weatherby, Phillips
Scotland: Baxter, Service, McMaster

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Re: Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 October 08 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Nad,
If you have the land location, you can figure out where they were in relation to the town of Watrous.  Starting roughly at the Manitoba-Ontario border, the survey went from the southeast to the northwest. The meridian, which will be noted as W1, W2, W3, W4, or W5, was a surveyed baseline that ran north-south. The 4th meridian is the Alberta-Saskatchewan border, so most Saskatchewan "addresses" are W2 or W3.

Range lines run north-south, parallel to the meridians, and are six miles apart. They are numbered west from the meridian; i.e., the further west you go, the bigger the range numbers, until you get to the next meridian, when they start again at 1. Township lines are also six miles apart, but run east-west. Townships are numbered starting at the US border, and going north; i.e., the further north, the bigger the township number, for each range. The grid pattern of the range and township lines makes squares, called townships, of 36 square miles each.

Each of the townships is split into sections of one square mile (640 acres) each. The sections are numbered from the range line, going west on the first "row," then east on the next, so that sections #7, 18, 19, 30, & 31 are north of section 6, while sections 12, 13, 24, 25, & 36 are directly above section 1. 

Each section is further divided into 4 quarters (160 acres each), which are denominated NW, NE, SW, SE. It was these "quarters" which were issued as homesteads, and which could be purchased for $10.00. There had to be certain "improvements" made, such as building a house, clearing/ploughing a certain amount of land within three years, and you had to live on the land for at least six months out of every year to "prove up" your homestead; that is, receive the clear title from the government.

The location of land is always noted in the form quarter, then the section, then the township, then the range, then the meridian; e.g., NE 12-35-10-W2 would mean the north east quarter of section 12 in the 35th township from the US border, the 10th range west from the second surveyed base line.

If you go on the Library and Archives Canada site (www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html ), the census section of the Canadian Genealogy Centre has a map from 1904 of the Humboldt electoral district. Watrous is not marked on it (town wasn't there in 1904), but it's roughly at the bottom of Big Quill lake, about half way between the lake and Saskatoon. If you have the land location, you should be able to figure out roughly where the farm was in relation to the town.

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Re: Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 October 08 19:03 GMT (UK) »
It looks like they arrived sometime around 1905. Here is a link to one book that mentions this family. There are quite a few books on Saskatchewan, and they could be mentioned in others.

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Prairie Reflections

http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=6070


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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 October 08 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie

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Re: Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 October 08 22:26 GMT (UK) »
Gene-ee-us,
Thanks for the explanation and the site for the map.  I'll have a look at it.

Janice,
Again, thanks for the info.  I don't think the Baxters in the book you mention are my ancestors.   Having done a search on the site I can only find reference to Richard and Maria Baxter, from Ontaria and their daughter Elsie.  Having said that, there's lots of interesting information in there and I will probably try to read it on-line or obtain a copy from somewhere.  I will look further at the other sites you mention too.

Thanks to both of you

Nad
Durham/Newcastle: Richardson, Glendenning, Glendening, Glendinning, Postle, Carr, Tatters
Norfolk/Suffolk: Love, Sharman
Somerset/Glamorgan, Wales: Brooks, Elliott, Smith
Cumberland: Richardson, Gribbin, Butler, Tatters
Shropshire/Welshpool: Thomas, Bradshaw, Summers, Weatherby, Phillips
Scotland: Baxter, Service, McMaster

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Re: Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 19:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I did a couple of searches for you but couldn't find your relatives docking in Halifax or Quebec.  However, you might try these sites.  Do a search for "Naniamo Family History" this will bring you to their ships indexing project where they have listed alpha all passengers inbound to Canada 1907 - 1910 with the date of arrival, port and ship name.  The other site to search is Findmypast for the migration records.  I have had good luck tracing Scotland to Canada on these sites.
Regards, Karen in Canada
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Re: Help. Ancestor missing in canada
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 19:33 GMT (UK) »
Karen,

Thanks for that.  I'll give the Nanaimo site a go.  I've already looked on find my past and unfortunately come up with nothing  :(

Thanks again.

Nad
Durham/Newcastle: Richardson, Glendenning, Glendening, Glendinning, Postle, Carr, Tatters
Norfolk/Suffolk: Love, Sharman
Somerset/Glamorgan, Wales: Brooks, Elliott, Smith
Cumberland: Richardson, Gribbin, Butler, Tatters
Shropshire/Welshpool: Thomas, Bradshaw, Summers, Weatherby, Phillips
Scotland: Baxter, Service, McMaster