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Looking for more info please.
« on: Wednesday 05 November 08 13:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

I am hoping to find more information on the deaths and where abouts of these 3 brothers:-

Cpt. Alexander Ellice, Cameron Highlanders 5th Bn, d. 18/10/1916 France
2nd Leut. Andrew Robert Ellice, Grenadier Guards 4th Bn, d. 29/09/1916 France
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William Ellice, Midshipman HMS Bulwark d. 26/11/1914

Many thanks in advance

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 13:18 GMT (UK) »
HMS Bulwark blew up accidently at Sheerness on that date:
http://www.nhcra-online.org/20c/bulwark.htm
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 13:30 GMT (UK) »
all three are noted on the CWGC site the first two are both buried just south of Albert whilst William is noted on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial. The one thing that struck me was the ages of all three 21. 18. & 15.

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

Thank you both... i had found them on the cwgc. They were all so young, the poor parents!
I was hoping to find what battles they died in, i'm guessing war diaries are what i need.

So sad about the HMS Bulwark, so many dead.  :(
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

If you "click" on the cemetery details on their entries on CWGC site you  will find some more background details.



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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 16:20 GMT (UK) »
You can use this link to find out what the 5th/ Cameron Highlanders and 4th/ Grenadier Guards were doing on the dates in question. Once you have found the battalion you have to click on the underlined Division number.

As they both died in 1916 their medal index card will give the date they entered a theatre of war.

http://www.1914-1918.net/regiments.htm

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 16:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that

I have been trying to view their medal cards on ancestry all day but it keeps coming up with an error page!
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 November 08 23:34 GMT (UK) »
Penninah,
Alexander Ellice was the eldest son of Major Edward Charles Ellice of Invergarry and Glenquoich, and of Margaret Georgina Ellice. His father, who was formerly a Captain in the Grenadier Guards, and served in Lovat's Scouts in South Africa, rejoined the Grenadier Guards at the beginning of the war, and was appoinrted as Major to command the Guards Entrenching Battalion in France.
He was in the School from 1908 to 1912, and had his cap in 1912. On leaving Rugby he went to France to learn the language and entered a Chartered Accountant's Office in Paris. e was afterwards transferred to the London Ofice and passed and Examination for Chartered Accountants.
On the outbreak of war he joined the Cameron Highlanders and went to the front in May 1915. InSeptember, 1915, he was wounded at Loos, but returned to the Front in February 1916. He took part in the Battle of the Somme and went through the attack on Delville Wood. He was wounded by a shell at Eaucourt l'Abbaye on October 15th, and died of his wounds on October 18th, 1916. Age 21.
Cameron of Lochiel, who raised the 5th Cameron Highlanders and commanded them to begin with, wrote:-
"I got to know Sandy very well. He was just the typical example of all a boy should be. Quiet and shy and somewhat reserved, yet always perfectly at his ease and at home with everyone: keen and hard working with an extraordinarily high sense of duty. He had also an enormous fund of humour, which only came out among those who knew him well, and was always cheerful. I cannot tell you how I feel about his death. All his men were absolutely devoted to him. To me he is the last of my old officers that I really knew and cared for."
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 November 08 23:35 GMT (UK) »
There is a little more concerning this officer from his C.O. and the Chaplain, also the picture is a lot better without the resizing to fit the forum.

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