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« on: Wednesday 19 November 08 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Me again,
                   Can you please confirm this photo is WW1 Royal Field Artillary. I note there are extra bits on the Shoulder dogs . If that is an axe above the RFA would that indicate he was a Farrier? I am relying on you experts . Sorry I cant scan at Higher Res., I dont have the photo.
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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 22:58 GMT (UK) »
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If that is an axe above the RFA would that indicate he was a Farrier?

No, that would be a "T" showing that he was a territorial.
But it seems to be RFA, indeed
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 November 08 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Neil,
                  Being a territorial would he still have gone to War and do you think the uniform is WW1 period or could it be in peacetime earlier? I am trying to date it as accurately as poss. Sorry to be a pain,
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PS any idea what is below the RFA letters and does the lanyard signify any thing in particular.
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 November 08 08:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rog

The bottom bit of the shoulder title will show the county unit. It looks a short one, like Herts, Hants, Kent etc.

You really need to provide more pixels. If you cannot increase the resolution on your scanner you need someone with a digital camera - the more mp the better, or a good magnifyiing glass. All this assumes you have the original photograph.

You need a T/RFA expert to tell you if the territorial outfits were kept separate throughout WW1. If so, that uniform was used from 1908 (?) to at least 1920. I think they moved the lanyard to the other shoulder then. Or is that another Corps?

Even better would be to find his service record or medal card on Ancestry - while it's free.

Lanyards were original used to fire the gun, to stop the recoil taking your head off. Even in WW1 a lot of guns needed a lanyard rather than a trigger. They didn't use the uniform lanyard though. That was just part of the uniform and much too short. He probably had a penknife at the other end.

If the photograph is WW1 his rank is Bombardier. After WW1 they got rid of the rank of Corporal. All Corporals became Bombardiers (with two stripes) and all Bombardiers became Lance-Bombardiers (with one stripe).


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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 November 08 11:04 GMT (UK) »
I reckon that is very late 1917/18 as he has tidyed up his collar and pinned it back. Also his hat has become stiffened again...Also for smartness.

As Ken has said "T RFA" and probaly some county at the bottom. A farrier would have his trade badge further down the arm
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 November 08 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Experts Neil ,Ken and Scrim, :)
                      Problem I now  have is that you have confirmed my thoughts that it cant possibly be John in the photo as he died 1908. when a Piper with the 2nd Battalion Kings Own Scottish Borderers at Cairo.
  Now have to try and find which of his younger brothers it is could be James or Andrew. There is a medal card for Andrew RFA /RE but as a Private. I suppose he could have been busted from Lance Bombardeer before the cards were issued . He might never have seen action or been entitled,I honestly think it will be unlikely that I can actually determine true facts as to confirming who he is. The family likeness is as if they were all identical twins. :-\ :)
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 November 08 20:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello Rog,

Do you have any family info? I assume we are looking for a Kilgour.  ???

I have found a MIC for a James M Kilgour, Bombadier, 920076, RFA. He is a Territorial who didn't go overseas before 1917 and the number would put him in 43 or 67 DAC.

Subsequently, I have found his service record.
His middle name is McBlene and he comes from Camden area, but of Scottish origins.
At the end of Oct 1917 he transferred from 67 DAC (in Canterbury, by the looks of it), to 19 Reserve Battery (BEF France).

Any good?

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 November 08 13:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Forrester,
 I wondered where you were :).Thanks for input. It certainly looks like it could well be the chap in Photo.  I will check with my friends see if they know of middle names or if  Camden rings any bells.
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 November 08 18:51 GMT (UK) »
 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Spot On Lads,
                     I knew you would sort it for me. Everything you have input to the thread is absolutely correct .
The chap Phil  found the MI Card for is Deffo. the lad in the Photo. I have printed off his 23 pages of Service Record and Medal Card which are now winging their way to a very surprised descendant when they open the A4 envelope as I havent let on that it,s all sorted and what they have coming.
                You know now why we all come to you and call you experts.
                                         Thanks Again ,
                                          A very Chuffed ,Rog :) :)
Can the Moderator mark this thread as Completed please.
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